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    Posted: March 29 2017 at 9:19am
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I am doing some research on my old rifle. Its looks like its been modyfied in its butt too :) or is this something they did back in the days to make the buttstock longer. Its a stamp looking like 77 on this attached wood part. Its olso a stamp in the front of the stock.
Somebody who knows about this?
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The "77" is an unknown. Lots of little marks like that are found and no answers exist for them. In this case it may relate to the repair done. The second picture that shows the stamp with a crown is an inspector's mark meaning it passed inspection of some sort. The last picture is a repair of the butt stock. It is unusual to find such a large repair but the wood bits were patched up as much as possible to retain them instead of outright replacing them. I have seen repairs like that before so while a bit unusual, not unheard of.
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Ok, thanks a lot for good info. Im trying to find a new orginal butt stock so then its walnut who I will look for
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The repair to the butt stock is a factory modification.

As I understand, at that time there was a shortage of normal length butt stocks, but a surplus inventory of the short length ones. Waste not, want not, the frugal Brits converted a large batch of short butts to long.

The short length butts were cut back to remove the butt plate inletting, and then extended to normal length using a nice strong dovetail joint. Now that is craftsmanship (and a sharp machine operator)!

So although it may appear to be a repair, the butt could have been fitted when the rifle was manufactured and it was on there from factory new. I have exactly the same butt modification on one of my rifles. So neatly done, I think that it looks nice.

Personally, I would leave it on there. It is factory correct and a nice variation for viewers of your collection to see and comment upon.

The 77 marking, you mention that it is also marked on the front of the fore arm? If so, it is likely to be an armourer's assembly mark to keep the wooden parts with the correct rifle when undergoing repair on the bench.


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Thaths was olso my first uppinion of this stock. I will leave it like it is, just sand it and go with some oil to it. Thanks so mutch for very important info
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I just learned something new! A butt extension and nicely done too!
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One more thing to mention. The factory inspector's mark, it is from RSARF Sparkbrook (has the block capital B designator). So that is where the modification was done.
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Holy smok... what you guis knows:) well next qestion probebly is how its possible to find out where this rifle served, and how it ended up i Norway some time after ww1 ?
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Sometimes a rifle can read like a book with its markings.

Show us lots of pictures. 

Any markings that you find in the wood or metal, we will need to see clearly.

Then we will see what we can decipher.


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Well thats will be done, just avay this weekend, so I post pictures on mandag. Thanks a lot so far.
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I got this one in my tlf here
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The BSA factory, was literally just around the corner from Sparkbrook. BSA was a private company that manufactured arms for the British Government under contract. It is unlikely that BSA would have used government factory manufactured butts in their production line. But with their locations being so close, who knows?

The fact that your rifle is a BSA would suggest to me that the butt stock is a replacement unit. All perfectly correct for a rifle maintained and used in service.
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Originally posted by Norwegian Norwegian wrote:

Holy smok... what you guis knows:) well next qestion probebly is how its possible to find out where this rifle served, and how it ended up i Norway some time after ww1 ?
 
The British army did spend some time in Norway at early in WW2. Many arms were left there as well as a lot of soldiers.
During the war the Norwegian resistance was supplied with weapons by Britain. As the No.4 didn't come into service until 1941 (at the earliest) and it is reasonable to assume that MKIII* were used in quantity.
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you have tapped into the premere enfiled sight here - there are others but this is ours , there is a great amount of knowledge here and there is some elswhere but what the heck - you dont have to go elswhere unless you fail to get it here . 

im thinking you will find most of what you need here - we all offer what we have and admit to what we do not know , we have a sufficient spread of interest and study to offer good info when requested , 


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Im realy greatfull for this forum and all the experts in here. I have plans to make my rifle looks as good as I can, so I,d like to ask if its correckt to blue all the metalparts or should it be glasblasted so it dosent get shiny finish? It looks like it was blued orginaly.
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