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it is a 2 peice you can take the bra$ buttplate off it,the numbers on the side read
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       D 2953               just like that, on the top side the numbers read        No4MKl/2 D2953
                                                                                                                            F  55  FTR
i will try to get you some pic's ty so much 4 the help
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To fit a one piece stock to a no4Mk1 would require MAJOR surgery.  It has been done, though I have no idea why!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Shamu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 04 2012 at 10:51pm
Sorry, I got the 2 rifles mixed up while reading the thread. (A couple of years between posts will do that)
Ignore my comments on the Savage & lease-lend they refer to the earlier rifle at the beginning of the thread.
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it took me a little while and some re-reading to sort it myself shamu ......
 
 
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it is a 2 peice you can take the bra$ buttplate off it,the numbers on the side read
              B
          1942
       D 2953               just like that, on the top side the numbers read        No4MKl/2 D2953
                                                                                                                            F  55  FTR
i will try to get you some pic's ty so much 4 the help
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yup - its a BSA made rifle , i had a 42 BSA no4 mkI once upon a lifetime ago ,
is the forend full length ? are the upper handguards [wood covers] still on top of the barrel ?
 
 
John , what would be the reasoning to mess about with an enfeild to fit a 'one piece' stock ???
seems it would be much a-do about nothing in the end
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There were some 1-piece stocks dreampt up for fullbore match shoting back in the UK, about 35 years ago. Supposedly they were bedded better because of the one-piece construction. They were way way "fatter" than regular 2-piece ones so I'd guess the bedding was probably secondary to the rigidity & weight increase?
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the barrel is 25 n a quarter length. would like to know what the gun is worth?? gonna upload pics later. ty


"is the forend full length?" <<<what is this?

"are the upper handguards [wood covers] still on top of the barrel ?"  No
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The forend is the wood extending forward from the metal ring at the reciever. It should look pretty much like this.
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think the answer regarding the upper handgards tells us it has been sported , value is dificult in this condition and im not the one to offer help there , worth more to me if it can be returned to original and only photos will tell us that ,
 
a hunter might offer a better price if he wants one like that , a collector is going to base it on what it takes to restore it
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Originally posted by JSmiley JSmiley wrote:

actually this is his wife who posted what he wanted, i didn't know all teck terms, but since you got the picture it was just as well! And yes we Texans got a word for everything....even rude people! But its all good isn't it!!



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There were a few experimental lightened rifles that used a one piece stock, some only prototypes but the Canadians came up with a Shortened and lightened No.4 which was not a No.4 at all, the action being based on the No.5 altered to take a one piece stock.
The barrel was around 23 inches and of very slim profile. The stock of a very light grade of wood, and fitted with a real recoil pad rather than the oversized bootheel the No.5 carried.
I believe that rifle weighed less than a No.5.
I believe they also tried replacing some non critical parts with duraluminum.
 
They did not adopt the rifle and I've heard most of the field test batch ended up being given to police as animal control rifles. Few exist these days.
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and i learned something new today as well , ive not read the LES cover-to-cover yet , is this included there or do you have another source ?
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and i learned something new today as well , ive not read the LES cover-to-cover yet , is this included there or do you have another source ?
The Canadian lightened rifle is fairly well known, and examples exist in collections. It should be in Skennerton's books. I first learned of it from an article in an old gunrag.
Theres an article with photos on the Milsurps board.
 
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The lightening cuts appear to be somewhat different from those of the No.5, and more extensive.
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thank you , i knew of the brits version no5 and the ausies version no6 , but i was unaware of these in any detail , i knew they experimented in this area but was unaware of any real substance in the results , this is a fun topic lets get more info out there ,
 
i do like learning more , and im always open to this kind of education , i want one of these............
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Originally posted by A square 10 A square 10 wrote:

thank you , i knew of the brits version no5 and the ausies version no6 , but i was unaware of these in any detail , i knew they experimented in this area but was unaware of any real substance in the results , this is a fun topic lets get more info out there ,
 
i do like learning more , and im always open to this kind of education , i want one of these............
 
Another lightened rifle experiment I found interesting was a No.4 with barrel shortened to about the same length as the No.5 barrel , that is the shortened barrel was the same length as the no.5 barrel with flash hider but instead of a flash hider the bayonet lugs were cut into the barrel and the standard No.4 front sight was mounted as well.
The prototype shortened barrels ( 21"-22") had the new cut bayonet lugs and sight lugs built up by brazing. Had it gone into production they would have turned new barrels instead of shortening existing barrels.
 
Unlike the "tanker" Enfields these short rifles had a shortened fore end resembling the No.5 fore end. The butt stock was an unaltered No.4 butt.
This experiment led to the No.5.
 
Shortened P-14 rifles were also tried out, some with short fore ends and folding bayonets, others with full stocks and set back bayonet lugs and bands. barrel length was around 22".
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