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Rhino is that the blue pill or the purple one(damn alshiemers)can never keep them stright lolEmbarrassedEmbarrassedEmbarrassed
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Blue !!!! and dont take a whole one ....it will make you have flash backs of High School............
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote charly45 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 23 2009 at 8:39am
Yes sir thought i would it wake hoadie up lol,never taken one lol my older friend said he was in pain for hours lol

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I was just worried the girls in the barn would walk into the gun room before the Wife got home and embarrass the hell out of me ....But I was having them High School flash backs .... Pulled the shirt out my pants to hide the evidence...Just in case some one came into the Gun Shop ...LOL!!!
Good thing I didnt have any customers that evening .....

not that I needed the things ..but was just curious if they worked ....I got them from my Wife's Uncle ....
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i REMEMBER 1ST TIME i TOOK ONE(WAS IN tORONTO W/THE WIFE FOR WEEKEND)took a pill-didnt feel anything hour or so later so I took another(whole pills)Lemme tell ya what happens when ya overdose on that stuff...1st ya turn beet red(geeze hon-isnt it awful hot in here?George-how can you be hot?Your outside in March in a T shirt) Then your head starts to pound(could actually see the viens on the side of my head pulsating!)nausea off & on..I'm hungry but cant eat.
When I was talkin to Doc later he asked how it worked for me.I told him that I couldnt understand how folks could have sex-when you have a headache like THAT.When he found out how much I had taken he told me I was lucky I didnt croak!!He meant for me to take 1/2 to 1/3 of ONE pill!!
Be careful with that stuff!
He also told me that if the erection should last 4 hours or longer to call him right away.I asked what HE intended do do with it..& told him I wasnt like that.If I had one that lasted THAT long-I was gonna show it to all the old ladies on my street!!!
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Im pissin My self laughing Hoadie ...Ya need a stand up routine ....Ya killin Me !!!!!!
Yea , 1/3 to 1/2 is all I need to have them High School plash backs ......
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Tony Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 24 2009 at 10:48pm
Originally posted by White Rhino White Rhino wrote:

Im pissin My self laughing Hoadie ...Ya need a stand up routine ....Ya killin Me !!!!!!
Yea , 1/3 to 1/2 is all I need to have them High School plash backs ......


 I think something WAS standing up Rhino he just didn't know what to do with it.


When I was talkin to Doc later he asked how it worked for me.I told him that I couldnt understand how folks could have sex-when you have a headache like THAT


 See he got it wrong again!!  SHE has the headaches hoadie lad not you!
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Originally posted by charly45 charly45 wrote:

               Also on the 303/3006 comparo.I get 2800fps with 150 grainers and 2600fps with the180s
     with handloading with acc2520 out of my 25in barrel.Of course i loose about 200fps with my   18.5 jungle carbine but still more than adiquit.So only 100fps less then the great 3006.not bad in my book.and no critter would notice the differance anyway lolWinkWinkWink
A friend got very good results using AA2520 with his No.5 Carbine, and I've used it for a few loads long ago but decided to stick to IMR 4320 for the 150 gr bullets.
I downloaded the accurate Arms loading manual to try to figure out what sort of load you were using. Theres no data for the .303 in this issue of the manual but the data for the .308 Winchester using 2520 and a 150 gr bullet lists a velocity of 2832 fps and a chamber pressure of 61,000 PSI.
If the load you are using is generating anywhere near 60,000 psi to get 2800 fps its not one I'd consider using or recommending.
Loads that hot have been considered proper for the P-14 and a very few other .303 rifles, but Ive never heard these recommended for the LE actions.
The 150 gr bullet loads I use are in the neighborhood of 2600 fps, plenty enough punch for deer sized game and with far less stress on the rifle. Groups are consistently sub moa, and as others have said shot placement is a factor.
 
As for the little blue pill , I've never had need of them, but if I paid good money for such and it lasted no more than four hours I'd want my money back.
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She didn't seem to notice I smacked her with a 150gn Sierra Game king

 
Consequently neither did she
 
So in closing I'm sure if I can come across a buck in the rifle area he'll have no problem with that either
 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote charly45 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 07 2009 at 9:16am
Howdy airforcediver did you mean sierra gameking, or speer 150g??just curios

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Lol dam lack of Coffee this morning, it has profound affects on me
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I'm looking into information on the development of the .303 and recently found mention of the "Velopex" bullet designed by a gentleman named Leslie B Taylor who worked for Westley Richards.
Its stated that the Velopex was the basis for the lightweight nose plug of the MkVII bullet.
 
I'm sorting through some other sources which suggest that a 150 grain version of the Velopex was tested for the .303, which may be where the suggestion of a 150 gr bullet at 2,600 fps would have been an ideal infantry rifle load for the .303.
The Velopex was marketed for use in much larger bore Express rifles, the wooden plug allowed the light bullet of the express loads while allowing a large enough bearing surface, and the size of the bullet was about the same as that of a heavier bullet with all lead core.
 
The Velopex was tested alongside the "Swift" pointed long range match bullet designed by Captain J H Hardcastle. Near as I can tell the 225 grain swift would have been very nearly the same size and profile as the later MkVII, the substitution of the Velopex style shortened lead core with light weight nose plug reducing the weight to 174 grains.
 
I have no doubt that the standard military MkVII bullet has taken far more game than any of the commercial sporting loads using conventional soft point bullets, though its notable wounding action may not be consistent at all ranges.
 
I believe the prior use of the Velopex as a game bullet should put to rest apologists claims that the light nose plug was adopted due to its ballistic efficiency rather than its wounding effects, especially after the British had issued both exposed lead and even hollow point bullets to increase killing power of the lower velocity pre WW1 .303 ammunition.  
Some after action photos I've seen of Poachers killed by Indian Game Wardens using the .303 have shown wounds to the chest so large that the landscape is visible through the hole, and almost all of the muscle torn from the upper arm of a survivor, the entire bone being exposed.
 
In recent years theres been some discussion on whether such bullets should be used by our own military, and the Russian "poison bullet" certainly had a similar effect.
The high velocity of the 5.56 can produce horrific wounds, but at longer ranges the effect is greatly reduced, and the shorter barrel of the M4 carbines doesn't always give enough velocity to generate much more than a through and through bullet sized hole that has little manstopper effect. Use of slower twist barrels like those once used with the 55 grain bullets allows the heavier bullets now in use to destablise but at the cost of reduced long range accuracy.
 
 
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I use the Hornady 150 gr .312 bullet in loads for my No.4.
Due to the generous throat of my Savage barrel I seat the bullet with the cannelure exposed and don't crip, I made an undersized exander plug to allow enough neck tension so the bullet will not be driven back into the neck when cycling the bolt.
By not using a crimp the variation in pull strength is greatly reduced, and this allows a high degree of accuracy. I also only size .2" of the neck. Once a case has been fired twice rotating 180 degrees on the second firing, leaving a bit of neck unsized results in the now evenly expanded case to center perfectly, which along with the reduction in jump allows the optimum positioning of bullet to throat . These are old benchrest tricks that work well and very nearly eliminate the deletrious effects of the often loose chambers and throat of Milsurp rifles.
To insure smooth feeding I use each fired case once as a snapper for dry fire practice, the striker blow is just enough to loosen the fit of the expanded case slightly so it will feed smoothly in the field.
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Mine is simple..150 grain Sierra Prohunter over 41 grains of IMR 4895. Excellent in my #4.
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As mentioned earlier in Birthdays section..Hatchet confirms hes going to be hookin up with me & my mob for whitetail this Nov @ my cabin.(This is gonna be a treat!)Got the #5 all spruced up,just for Hatchet.
Think he may be in for a bit of a shock.Huntin goats & camels in your sandals is alot different than hunting whitetail in the cold Nov woods.(They put a new meaning to "fast food"
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Originally posted by hoadie hoadie wrote:

As mentioned earlier in Birthdays section..Hatchet confirms hes going to be hookin up with me & my mob for whitetail this Nov @ my cabin.(This is gonna be a treat!)Got the #5 all spruced up,just for Hatchet.
Think he may be in for a bit of a shock.Huntin goats & camels in your sandals is alot different than hunting whitetail in the cold Nov woods.(They put a new meaning to "fast food"
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Tell Hatchet, He welcome down here in the Swamp if He wants ...all is open ... cept gators !!!!!But  I could hook Him up LOL!!!!
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