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    Posted: May 09 2018 at 7:23am
Well I dun did it.

Won a Pat 07 Bayonet off e-pay!

I've been looking for one to fit the ShtLE & this looks like a suitable candidate in well used but not beat to heck condition. Sheath leather looks like it needs a little help, but we'll see. My neatsfoot oil (not compound) & a little black shoe polish should work wonders.

Paid US$ 125 shipped so I think I did all right.

Sorry about poor pics will post better when it arrives. These are copied & stitched together from e-pay's page.






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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Bear43 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 09 2018 at 8:18am
Looks good there and the price is decent. Once I get my gun room unpacked and settled I have to start looking for some bits like this.
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I was pleased with the result, I was playing 3 vendors off against each other. They were all asking $140~$150 + shipping & I got it down to $125 shipped so I'm happy.
Can anybody tell me a bit more bout the markings?

I see:
(a very faint) Kings crown
1907
9XXXX17 (X's are blank spaces)
on one side & on the other:
A broad arrow & 3 proofs, or inspectors marks.
No makers mark that I can see though, is that odd?

The sheath has the early "teardrop" frog button, which is nice.

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Shamu, have a close look below the date stamp ; which is the 9   17 (September 1917). I bet you may see a faint "SANDERSON" stamp there. 
The X is the bend/flex test pass stamp I believe. 
Looks like a nice example. 
Here's a photo of my Sanderson 1907. Made in October 1917.

and my Sanderson 1907 made January 1908 and refitted in 1921



Both of these have "teardrop " type scabbards.
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Thanks!
I thought it was a poorly stamped broad arrow, but yes it could be a poor "X" as well.
I'll check & take better pics when it arrives.
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yes the "X" is the bending proof , it looks like a nice find - cannot see well enough to ID , i think ZED may be correct , 
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Interesting, your blade seems blued, mine seems to have had most of the blue removed. I remember reading somewhere the blades were originally blue but were then changed to a brushed satin & finally to smooth, not polished steel.
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The refurbished one is blued, the 1917 one is not. I'll try and get some proper photos over the weekend to post.

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Interestingly I've just read an article on these 1907 model bayonets; in which the author states that the blades where left in the white (untreated) steel during wartime production; but were sand blasted to dark grey during refurbishment after WWI. So maybe I need to take a closer look. To be honest i got the refurbed one about 6 years ago, so haven't really studied it lately or compared it properly to the 1917 made one.

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Yes, that sounds like the same reference. I honestly don't remember all the details, but something was blued somewhere by someone!
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my rifle is a 1914 that was FTR'd in 1944, At least we assume so because the FTR has no date but its a 1944 BBl, so just about anything will be PC/HC!
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they were in the white till after the war , the refurbs were were treaded differently depending on where done , but in general blued of a sort , some just in the handle area , unlike the WWII era when complete phosphate was typical  
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Interesting I have a No9 which is black paint (Suncorite again?) with a bare metal blade
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I got a pair of No9 bayonets in a job lot last year. One is Suncorite and one is Parkerised.
Not sure who made what. 

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OK I guess the standard wasn't as uniform as we thought!
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Decided to take out both 1907 bayonets and have a proper look. Realised that I'd made an error in my earlier post. The 1917 made one also has a repair date! 1927. See photos. There are quite a few differences in the finish; black handle on the 1921 repair and "white" metal on the 27. Screws wrong way round in one; not sure which is correct. 


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the blade sockets were made in the white again , both of those shown are correct as made , i was refering to the P07s 
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