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    Posted: January 27 2018 at 11:19am
         I have found some information on line that stated there are 3 stocks for the No4 Mk1 Enfield rifles, A Small, A medium and A large but nothing that tells of there actual length or where the stock is measured to determine the length, Anyone have any data on this?
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Only that there was a quarter inch difference between each size and that was verbal from a local gunsmith, I know I need a large and i cannot find one I have 3 Mediums stocks tho
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I apologise for jumping in, but may I ask what the stock is going on? If it's a sporter, you may consider a recoil pad to add length. Also, I believe someone published pictures of I believe Canadian snipers using the Lee Enfield. In the one picture, this guys Enfield had a recoil pad.
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yes there are multiple stocks - im not the one to answer here but if "NOT" a sporter [we were not founded in sporters here but tollerate them} there is someone that will help - i think simon would be a good souyrce because he is familiar with all of the generations of these rifles , but there are many others that are equally qualified , 
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There are actually 4 stocks, the shortest is a Bantam. If you want I can take a measurement of it to start a baseline.
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I have a small one one my Mk1/2. It has the S stamped into it my T has a regular size along with the Savage rifle.
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Okay. From the butt socket back down the center line to the buttplate. My short stock is 11 3/4". The regular size stocks are 12 1/4". I'm going to make an assumption here and say the bantam stock will be 11 1/4" and the long will be 12 3/4"...
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I can verify the Bantam is 11 1/4".
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Goosic nailed it. Half an inch difference between stock lengths. Norman length measures out to 12-1/4 (ish) inches.

Just to muddy the waters, normally, when measuring the 'length of pull' (LOP) on sporting or any other rifle, the measurement is taken from the trigger bow to the butt plate. 

Sometimes when I read vendor descriptions, they state LOP so that a buyer can figure out if the rifle would be a fit.
It can be a source of confusion. Butt stock length and LOP are not the same. 

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At the risk of being flogged or disbarred from the forum, I feel I must defend Lee Enfield sporters. I've only been a member for a short while, and quickly realized there are members here who are master gunsmiths and craftsman who have became such a resource on anything Enfield. Sporters probably do not have a seat at the adults table on this forum (and have to sit at the kid's table), but I'd bet many people who have come to love the history and beauty of this gun were first introduced to it by way of a cheap, readily available meat getting sporter. I will now accept my fate...
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This is the site for Everything Lee Enfield.

I tempt fate by posting about Lee Metfords.

Nothing wrong with a nice sportered Lee Enfield.
There is the aftermarket forum on here somewhere which has lots of sporters. 
Go look, it is probably the one for your taste in Enfields..

You will see me over there with everybody else!
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Geeze! You guys make us sound so uptight!
Compared to many "pure" forums we're a model of inclusion. There was an attempt to make this sight as rigidly boring as some others a while back but we fixed (No9Mk1) bayonets to our (No4 mk1* ) Rifles & repelled borders successfully & achieved out current happy band of brothers.
Sporters are fin IMO as long a no-one Bubbas a minty one into some franked beast from the black lagoon. We do have a separate page for them, but its not the leper colony of the site or anything, just a way of grouping similar interests together.
I guess we have to re-instate the daily beatings till morale improves!
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Many of us, myself included, do prefer the military configuration but there is a spot in every collection for a nice sporter. That is also a part of the Enfield history.
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I never ever pass on the opportunity to look over a sportered lee Enfield. I don't need a nose cap and full wood to appreciate the history of a rifle. Some of these old hunters are covered in markings and can read like a book. I just never know what that sporter might be.


Check out this funky little sporter that was bought from a yard sale for me by a buddy. It had been used on a fishing boat for shooting seals and sea monsters. Buddy called me up first before he bought it as he didnt want to be throwing $50 away.
I restored it by restocking and putting the proper nose cap back on it. The bolt and mag are correct.
It turned out to be one of one hundred 1892 pattern trials carbines, serial number 4. 


This 'sportered' one was passed over as just another Bubba'd rifle, but I knew exactly as to what it was when I saw it. Being honest, I told the owner about it who immediately withdrew it from sale and squirreled it away in his gun safe. It took me years to get him to sell it to me, eventually he did. 
There were five trials carbines sent to Canada for cold weather trials in 1893 This has serial number 5. One of fifty made. I still use it as a hunting rifle.



This is my pet deer gun, somebody did a nice job on modifying the stock set from original military, it started out as a cavalry carbine. This rifle was destined to be restored also, but it is the nicest pointing rifle that I have. It fits me and I love how the peep sight comes right up to my eye with the butt into my shoulder. Feels like it was made for me, so as a sporter it will stay.


Here is a group of sporters that get used around the farm a great deal. Nothing fancy, they are are all 'utility grade' but are in excellent mechanical condition. They all shoot very well. 
There is even a couple of Lee Speed factory sporters in the group.
When I do restorations, the parts that I cannot use due to mods or poor finish but are still functional get put into the junk drawer. Eventually I will get motivated and find enough junk parts to assemble a working gun. These are great because they almost feel like a freebee! The bottom one is 100% junk drawer assembled. 

And here is my current sporter project for which I am working up hand loads.

It has had a number of incarnations in the past in that it was once a .22 trainer converted from a 303 battle rifle. It is now chambered in 222 Rem and the flipping thing is a tack driver.

So no, nothing wrong with a nice sporter in my eyes.
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This is my new sporter project I'm currently working on...
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