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    Posted: November 09 2009 at 2:12pm
since a while i started collecting the bayonets for the enfield (in fact all english and componwealth).

now i'm lokking for all the makers of the different bayonets .

is there anyone who collects them also who can tell me which of them are hard to find in the p1907

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thats a tall order , but if i had to guess id say the vickers and mole are probably in that catagory ,
 
id need to look in my referance books to see what those say , but perhaps there is someone else here more in the know than i
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to add to this reply , i had decided to buy just one for each of my rifles originaly - any mfgr was fine by me , more interested in a 'correct' vintage match , and i wanted a vintage look as well ,
 
it will be equally challengeing to find a P1907 with hooked quillon
 
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thanks for the reply :)

the hooked quillions are indeed not so much seen.


if i can find all the manufacturers even without the hooked quilion it would be great


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can you post the titles of the referance books?
i always find it interesting to get to know more books about it.
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as im not a 'bayonet collector' specificaly ive limited my referances to those that relate to what i collect , commonwealth and US arms and accoutraments 1800s forward ,
 
i have these books -
 
jantzens notbook - a great all area book covering a wide range
 
British & Commonwealth Bayonets , Skennerton - an excelent book on this area and a great compliment to his bible of the 'Lee Enfield Rifle Story'
 
American Military Bayonets of the 20th century , Gary Cunningham - an excelent book on US cutlery and scabords from the Krag to the Black Rifles
 
as to your request - some of the prime producers were :
 
first to start  - Wilkinson , Mole , Sanderson , Chapman
 
later - Vickers , Enfield , Remington [yes , in the US P07s in addition to the P13s] , Lithgow and Orange [austrailia] , ishapore [india]
 
Wilkonson was the largest producer by the end of war I and Vickers had the worst time of it , but they were the only commonwealth producer of the P13 with Remington and Winchester producing all the rest , Canada did not make the P1907 , India prefered the shorter versions and these are plentifull the long versions are less so , New Zeland did not produce any of them
 
an interesting aside the Orange Arsenal made some US M1905 bayonets for the US M1903 rifle , there are examples marked with New Zeland issue ,
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the first two books are still missing in my collection.

probably schortly the british and comonwealths will arive , the janzens notebook is available at otto's site, but becomes a little expensive if not send in the same paket.


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I'd like a proper bayonet to go with my WW1 Enfield, but I'm not interested in its collectability.
 
How much should I expect to pay for the cheapest available bayonet that would suit my purpose?
 
A really doggy one with no original finish would be okay.
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an smle nr 1?

then you need a p1907.

depends on where you live
for belgium a nice one is between the 80 an 100 €.
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Originally posted by yoeri yoeri wrote:

an smle nr 1?

then you need a p1907.

depends on where you live
for belgium a nice one is between the 80 an 100 €.
Yep a 1907 model would be correct for this MkIII.
A friend picked up a fairly good one with sheathe for 16 USD years ago, but though it looked correct the ring had been reamed out , probably for use with some other type of rifle, too loose for the standard lug.
That could be fixed by soldering a thin ring of tubing inside the ring.
 
I don't really have any pressing need for a bayonet, I'm not a reinactor, but it would go well with the rifle on display.
 
Something cheap and not badly notched, hand grip scales can be made if need be. I could use my friend's bayo as a guide in repairs.
The lug of my rifles nosecap shows no sign of ever having had a bayo mounted. It may be a replacement cap, but its numbered to the receiver, as are all other parts.
I suspect its a rebuild but not FTR marked.
 
 
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you could look at otto's site :)

sure u find one there :)
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The lug of my rifles nosecap shows no sign of ever having had a bayo mounted. It may be a replacement cap, but its numbered to the receiver, as are all other parts.
I suspect its a rebuild but not FTR marked.
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number matched its most likely an original , they seldom went back and renumbered or added numbers at a refurb on the boss , you may be correct abut a refurb but i think a rebuild would be marked FTR
 
check these sites -
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
all reputable dealers , some very informative in their listings , i have dealt with every one of them on one thing or another , never unhappy
 
 
http://www.ima-usa.com/   this one has reproductions as well as real stuff look carefully
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Thanks for providing those links.
 
I found one possibility on otto's site.
 
I then remembered that a local surplus store is having a half price going out of business sale. They had some nice 1907 bayonets with sheathes , but over priced at that time, if they still have any and the price is half what it was I may have my answer.
 
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good luck in your quest ,  IMHO every rifle should have a proper pointy bit to add to its elegance , every one of mine [that accept one] have a correct vintage and in some cases where there are more than one to be had have two
 
a case in point being my late no4 mkII rifle has a couple and my M1garand and my M1carbine and my M16types ,
i have also found the scabords fascinating so in the case of my Krags have four scabords with bayonets for my one remaining rifle , and two for my M1917 rifle also with bayonets
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My Kropatschek (restoration project?) rifle has an interesting bayo.
She was in pretty rough shape when I got it..but the museum soaked it in some solution for a year for me,& she came back in pretty fair shape.(Not perfect-but a damn site better than it was!)I applied PEEK to the metal scabbard & it came back BIG!
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Originally posted by hoadie hoadie wrote:

My Kropatschek (restoration project?) rifle has an interesting bayo.
She was in pretty rough shape when I got it..but the museum soaked it in some solution for a year for me,& she came back in pretty fair shape.(Not perfect-but a damn site better than it was!)I applied PEEK to the metal scabbard & it came back BIG!
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A friend left a Remington .32 rimfire pocket revolver here for awhile, he'd found it in a strong box under his deceased father in law's bed while clearing up the estate for his wife.
When found it looked like a total relic crusty and greyish brown.
I soaked it in ballistol solvent and carefully wiped it down every few days, breaking up very crusty spots with a tooth pick. When finally cleaned I was pleased and frankly amazed that the pistol retained nearly 90% of its original bluing. Balistol is also great for cleaning wood and leather. I've used it to clean and disinfect leather gloves that came in contact with possibly disease carrying debris when working on plumbing and replacing flooring joists under a house.
It also softens and removes old scar tissue.
Testing has shown it has no known carcinogens and its used to clean restuarant meat cutting machinery, so it must be pretty safe.
Its also recommended for cleaning up and treating injured or wounded hunting dogs and horses. If they ever wanted to go to the expense of FDA testing it would probably be aproved for humans as well.
Thats the only solvent I'll use in the field where a quick through washing if a harsh poisonous solvent gets on hands might not be possible.
It also mixes with water for cleaning up Black Powder fouling and corrosive primer salts.
 
I've noticed that if any old rust is left in pitting the balistol usually turns it black as it permeates and kills the rust, so it almost disappears.
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