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    Posted: May 07 2016 at 10:10am
This, of course might be common knowledge, but it's something yours truly has just discovered and I thought I'd spout out about it. When I got my one and only Enfield, I acquired a couple of charger clips (possibly known by some as something akin to exotic dancer clips, but not by me, no siree). These were original items with Mk4 and a WD arrow on them. They worked fine and I thought that I should like a couple more. So I bought a couple via a well known internet auction site.
 
Well! These are obviously newly made items that really do look the part. Until you come to put rounds in them (difficult) and if you then try and load your rifle using them, you find you need arms like Popeye. So having looked at them in a bit more detail, the repro ones look fairly well made and comparing them to the originals, they do appear to be made to the same dimensions, at least using the naked eye, as close as would make no practical difference. So why the problem?
 
The rounds are supposed to be held in the clip by the side walls of the clip. The clip walls are made of a certain thickness of steel that hold the rounds firmly yet give enough when you slide rounds in and out so you can do that fairly easily.
 
Now coming on to the repro clips, it struck me that they are made of a slightly thicker gauge of steel. This means that they don't have the springiness of the originals, with the result being that the rounds are too tight in the clip to be used easily, or at all!
 
I am having a fiddle with files to see if I can make the repros work better, but I suspect I shall have to source some originals to be happy. Although of course, perhaps not all reproduction clips suffer this problem. Maybe there is another reproducer that uses the right thickness of metal. But who knows? 
 
Which brings me onto the moral of my little story I suppose. Buy original charger clips!
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Made in Pakistan and are worthless

Check around for vintage ones

btw in the original U.S. patent for Paul Mauser's wonderful invention they were called "Magazine Chargers"
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If you look closely at originals you'll see 2 "arms" on the bottom rear corner, on opposite sides of the charger. What actually holds the rounds in is these slightly bent in "arms". The rims should move freely within the guides between them.

There are lots of later-made ones that are out of spec & grip like cats claws, notably the (I think) Italian ones with the VII & a couple of random letters & numbers. Another clue is the finish. Blued is usually a good sign, but painted or parked is a death sentence.

Any charger that isn't free sliding in the rim grooves is going to be a beast to feed into the magazine. Polishing, sanding, sand/bead blasting & so on help, as long as you "tweak" the fingers just right.


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I have some Indian parkerized chargers and those are just miserable. I keep them anyway just to have them on hand, but I stick with the blued British ones most of the time.
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Ho hum. They are the inferior ones allright. They have VI on them and the letters G M. Thankfully they were cheap, so nothing really lost, albeit it's annoying. I shall look around for some "original equipment" ones to supplement the two good ones I have. "Magazine chargers", duly noted.
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even if they are lesser quality that desired if they work to load at the range they can be useful , find originals for your collection , 
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Pedro, I bought a bag of those as well! Total crap. I spent a while with a Dremel trying to thin out the sides and polish them up. But still unsatisactory. Luckily I was given a few original 1943 ones by a friend, with the 1943 ammo still in them. The difference in loading with a proper springy one or the later non springy armour plated ones is huge. The cases get really scratched in the crap ones if you manage to move them at all.
However I've decided to put the used cases that are close to splitting in the bad clips; and I'll try and flog them for a quid or two at our brocante (boot sale) later this month.
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Originally posted by Zed Zed wrote:

Pedro, I bought a bag of those as well! Total crap. I spent a while with a Dremel trying to thin out the sides and polish them up. But still unsatisactory. Luckily I was given a few original 1943 ones by a friend, with the 1943 ammo still in them. The difference in loading with a proper springy one or the later non springy armour plated ones is huge. The cases get really scratched in the crap ones if you manage to move them at all.
However I've decided to put the used cases that are close to splitting in the bad clips; and I'll try and flog them for a quid or two at our brocante (boot sale) later this month.
   

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Paddy, it's not a gun sale, just a village garage type sale. However you should contact Cartry. He has a huge stock of all sorts of bits, most of which is not shown on the website. If he hasn't got it, he may know someone that has. nfortunately he does not speak english, so french only!
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Zed, if you ever trip over one of these little guys, at the brocante & if you don't mind, grab it & I'll pay you back somehow.



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OK Shamu, I'll keep my eye's open for him. There's lot's of brocantes these days, so we go to quite a few!

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