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    Posted: April 11 2016 at 9:33am
 bought a cruciform Bayonette ,  i know there are some fakes out there , and this puppy dont really have  much in the way of marking as they should .  anyways i would appreciate some input 

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what i see - the dimple on the elbow is correct the marking is a "view" mark we yanks would call it an inspection mark , the makers mark should be on the other side , SM [early marking] SMC is the later [thats what mine is ] no other company made these , 

N67 is their war code , the dimple was used to center the spike during fluting , that was a milled process , the unfullered section of shank should be approximately 1/2" , the webs ate flat between the flutes , the shaft is actually oval shaped the round version showed up in later marks , this was a drop forged one piece unit , 

by the time the spikes were issued there were three models of the no4 bayonet and the mkI was declared obsolete with curent stores to be used , 

 there were only 75,000 of these made and early issue meant reduced survival due to attrition , thats why they are considered scarcer than the rest , yours looks very nice , 

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Super! Yet another bayonet I need to find.Gorgeous piece, very nice!
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yes you do - and you may have a better chance there than some of us here these days , do be careful of the fakes - they will be round in shape , may have miss-ground profiles and may be miss-marked as all of these will be singers , 



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still...a nasty bit of work, to be sure!
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A_square, I wish I had half your knowledge on bayonets! Fantastic bit, schnitz!
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im a novice compared to those that are real bayonet collectors , im only into these commonwealth these days and have a working knowledge of the US i used to collect , but even that can be just enough to get me into trouble , 

i do enjoy seeing what folks are finding these days , ive not found anything interesting in pointy bits in a very long time , 
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I am just into the Commonwealth pointy bits and that is enough to make my head swim! When it comes to bayonets things are complicated at best.
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still..I would have imagined the cruciform bayo would have been made illegal (off-side?) thru the Geneva convention. (They did it to tri-corner bayos)
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The Russians used them up till the 50's.
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there were a lot of this type/style pikes , french too 
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