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    Posted: March 04 2018 at 2:47am
Can any one help me with these markings on my Long Branch Mk1*. I have tried with no luck.
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Bumped across this cool .pdf from the NRA Museum while looking for your proofmarks, and this cool page from our friends down in NZ.


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My guess from a bit of research is that the PSF and what looks like crossed rifles are Italian proof marks.  The CB in the square would correspond with the style and proof code for the year 2007.  The deer head with bracketed with "G - T" may be a private stamp or a heraldic crest.  Of course just a guess.  You may wish to research the Lee Enfieds that were supplied by Canada to the Italian Nay after the war.  This included Longbranch #4's.  These went up for sale by Euroarms starting around 2006.  This would correspond nicely with the stamps as I would assume all would have to be proofed before sale to the civilian market.  Note it is not unusual for stamps to be incomplete so a little bit of deduction is needed.
polvere senza fumo is Italian for smokeless powder.
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no , that said unless its sported its a nice war issue 1943 mkI* longbranch 
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On closer look I believe the Crest actually has 3 letters G-V-T.  This would correspond nicely to the Italian national proof house in Gardone Val Trompia.
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Perhaps it was imported into Italy & reproofed?
Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)
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Originally posted by Shamu Shamu wrote:

Perhaps it was imported into Italy & reproofed?


Check my post above.  Canada gave boxes of LE's to the Italians after WWII.  I had thought all went to Navy but some probably went elsewhere.

http://www.euroarms.net/EFD/introduction.htm
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I hadn't thought of a military import followed by a civvy sale, that would explain the dates.
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thank for the help folks. I follow this up and let you know what I come up with.
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I think you have hit the nail on the head I just found this

HOW DO I READ THE PROOF MARKS ON MY ITALIAN MADE GUN?
In the first photo : capital letters in a box signify the year your gun was manufactured, the last two star-PN and star-shield marks are standard proof marks for any gun made in Italy since 1951.



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Originally posted by birddog birddog wrote:

I think you have hit the nail on the head I just found this

HOW DO I READ THE PROOF MARKS ON MY ITALIAN MADE GUN?
In the first photo : capital letters in a box signify the year your gun was manufactured, the last two star-PN and star-shield marks are standard proof marks for any gun made in Italy since 1951.



thank you


Actually the letters in the box are when the firearm was proofed.  Military firearms shipped to Italy and eventually surplussed to the public were proofed by the Italians when surplussed  not when they were made.   Canada does not have a proof testing requirement and unless supplied to British forces did not proof LE's that were used by the Canadian forces.  If your Enfield does not have the standard British proof mark it is another clue that it was one of the ones supplied by Canada.


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