Enfield-Rifles.com Homepage
Forum Home Forum Home > Off Topic > OT Forum
  New Posts New Posts RSS Feed - everyone knows the 1873 colt SAA
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login

everyone knows the 1873 colt SAA

 Post Reply Post Reply Page  12>
Author
Message
A square 10 View Drop Down
Special Member
Special Member
Avatar
Donating Member

Joined: December 12 2006
Location: MN , USA
Status: Offline
Points: 8463
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote A square 10 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Topic: everyone knows the 1873 colt SAA
    Posted: April 11 2018 at 5:30pm
its the main fair for Sass shooting , there are others that show up , schofields , S&W no1s , but those are the cartridge dominators , 

then there are the black powder cap and balls - i have posted that i recently fell into this "black hole" and bought an 1851 colt navy in 36cal and an 1860 colt army in 44cal , i could never justify spending what the originals cost - then never want to shoot them so i bought pietta replicas they are quite nice , 

this past weekend i was researching others going backwards and discovered there was a lesser know competitor for colts 1873 SAA , in 1858 remington made their version in BP , it later was improved to the 1875 to compete with colt by adding a loading gate and changing the charging lever out for an ejector lever , it could have been a contender had colt not already had the government contract , but it was well accepted even if little touted on the frontier , 

anyway , i ordered up an 1858 44cal BP revolver for cowboy fun , the midway step to the 1875 was to add a conversion cylinder that accepted cartridges , there is a modern conversion being made - it resembles the old ones but works far better , so i ordered one of those and now have a cartridge capable rig that will shoot my SASS loads in smokeless in this fun old revolver , the drawback to the 1858 conversions compared to the 1875 cartridge models is that you have to remove the cylinder to reload 

if you recall the scene in the outlaw jossie wales he has spare cylinders preloaded for his 44cal colt walkers that he switched out to reload 

anyway , i bought one and will take it to the range when weather permits , it will be fun for style points , like my pocket S&W 22short derringer , my main guns are a pair of 5 1/2" ruger new vaquero 45 colt SAA 1873s my backups are a 4 3/4" new vaquero and taurus stainless 5 1/2" 45 colt SAAs as well , the SS is handy when i shoot BP loads - it cleans up well with hot water and no rust , 

all my rifles are 45 colt too ive now got an 1860 henry , 1866 winchester/henry , 1873 winchester and an 1892 winchester all replicas , 

my shotguns are a 1911 vintage winchester 1897 pump , and a hamerless coach double but im wanting a hammer version just for S&G , think thats my next buy , 
Back to Top
Sponsored Links


Back to Top
Honkytonk View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: December 30 2017
Location: Brandon Mb
Status: Offline
Points: 1170
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Honkytonk Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 11 2018 at 6:14pm
I own a Ruger .44 Old Army. I have seen a conversion cylinder in the US for this pistol to shoot .45 LC.
Back to Top
Stanforth View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: January 08 2017
Location: Oxford England
Status: Offline
Points: 269
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Stanforth Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 12 2018 at 2:05am
Life.. a sexually transmitted condition that is invariably fatal.
Back to Top
Stanforth View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: January 08 2017
Location: Oxford England
Status: Offline
Points: 269
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Stanforth Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 12 2018 at 2:06am
That was one of my 3 cases of Colts. OK it's the biggest of the 3.
Life.. a sexually transmitted condition that is invariably fatal.
Back to Top
hoadie View Drop Down
Moderator Group
Moderator Group
Avatar

Joined: March 16 2006
Location: Niagara/Canada
Status: Offline
Points: 7002
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote hoadie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 12 2018 at 3:59am
How come the Colt Dragoon model is so rare?
Loose wimmen tightened here
Back to Top
Goosic View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: September 12 2017
Location: Phoenix Arizona
Status: Offline
Points: 1058
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Goosic Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 12 2018 at 4:45am
I've got a second model 1851 Colt Navy with two spare cylinders. I've got a shoulder holster for it and I'm typically wearing it almost every time I'm out and about.
Back to Top
Stanforth View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: January 08 2017
Location: Oxford England
Status: Offline
Points: 269
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Stanforth Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 12 2018 at 5:59am
Originally posted by hoadie hoadie wrote:

How come the Colt Dragoon model is so rare?
 
(1) The time scale, 1847 if you include the Walker. Obsolete in 12 years.
(2) The number made.
(3) The use they were intended for and it's high attrition rate.
(4) Usefulness. They were outclassed by the 1860 Army model as far a military use was concerned and at 4Lbs 4ozs. were a lot to carry. They were also cumbersome to use
Life.. a sexually transmitted condition that is invariably fatal.
Back to Top
Macd View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: January 26 2018
Location: Canada
Status: Offline
Points: 185
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Macd Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 12 2018 at 6:10am
I have an Uberti clone of the 1875 Remington Army - Outlaw.  It is a 45 Colt and also has a 45 ACP cylinder.  A bit of trivia - Frank James of the James - Younger gang and Jesse's older brother carried an 1875.  I believe this was the gun he surrendered to the Governor of Missouri in 1882.
Back to Top
Shamu View Drop Down
Admin Group
Admin Group
Avatar
Logo Designer / Donating Member

Joined: April 25 2007
Location: MD, USA.
Status: Offline
Points: 9130
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Shamu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 12 2018 at 6:20am
Remember those conversions are for Cowboy action loads only, no full house stuff!
I like my 1858, swapping cylinders is easy, just go 1/2 cock unclip the rammer front , drop it enough to withdraw the arbor pin & roll out left or right, your choice.
Putting one in (especially if capped) is a slow careful business though.



The 1875 with the bored through cylinder after the Rolland-White patent expired is kind of neat looking & it also allows swapping cylinders!



Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)
Back to Top
Goosic View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: September 12 2017
Location: Phoenix Arizona
Status: Offline
Points: 1058
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Goosic Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 12 2018 at 7:02am
I've polished the barrel wedge on the sides and bottom on my Navy so I can swap cylinders faster.
Back to Top
A square 10 View Drop Down
Special Member
Special Member
Avatar
Donating Member

Joined: December 12 2006
Location: MN , USA
Status: Offline
Points: 8463
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote A square 10 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 12 2018 at 4:57pm
do not use this conversion to cartridge in the brass framed revolvers , 

yes only cowboy loads on my menu , 

"I own a Ruger .44 Old Army. I have seen a conversion cylinder in the US for this pistol to shoot .45 LC." 
Taylors has the conversions for those and the 1851 navy , you too can have the option , so far ive not gotten one for either of mine but i might in the future , for now the 1858 is enough - i have issues shooting what i own enough the way it is , i have more than a few that ive never foired , 

stanforth , that is an amazing accumulation/collection of colts , i would love to see the rest when you are willing to share , 
BTW nice explanation on the walkers - they did see a lot of service in our civil/uncivil war as did all the rest of these we have been discussing , as well as that rarity the lamatte - which i might get in a replica one day down the road , 
Back to Top
Stanforth View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: January 08 2017
Location: Oxford England
Status: Offline
Points: 269
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Stanforth Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 12 2018 at 11:53pm
Originally posted by A square 10 A square 10 wrote:

 

stanforth , that is an amazing accumulation/collection of colts , i would love to see the rest when you are willing to share , 
BTW nice explanation on the walkers - they did see a lot of service in our civil/uncivil war as did all the rest of these we have been discussing , as well as that rarity the lamatte - which i might get in a replica one day down the road , 
 
Did you notice the pistol at the top left of my image?  Yes it is what it looks like.
 
Until the UK banned, most of the use of handguns, I was mainly a Colt collector and shooter and that together with a collection of second and third generation Colts  is what is left.
 
I am lucky because I was able to get a 'Section 7/1' firearm certificate I am able to hold certain cartridge loading Colts.
 
My other collecting interest is Remington Rolling Blocks, mainly military rifles.
 
Life.. a sexually transmitted condition that is invariably fatal.
Back to Top
Shamu View Drop Down
Admin Group
Admin Group
Avatar
Logo Designer / Donating Member

Joined: April 25 2007
Location: MD, USA.
Status: Offline
Points: 9130
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Shamu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 13 2018 at 6:02am
A Patterson?
Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)
Back to Top
Stanforth View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: January 08 2017
Location: Oxford England
Status: Offline
Points: 269
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Stanforth Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 13 2018 at 6:41am
Originally posted by Shamu Shamu wrote:

A Patterson?
 
Yes a #5 (Texas) Patterson. And I have used it.
Life.. a sexually transmitted condition that is invariably fatal.
Back to Top
Goosic View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: September 12 2017
Location: Phoenix Arizona
Status: Offline
Points: 1058
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Goosic Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 13 2018 at 6:56am
You should visit the gun store here in Phoenix I frequent. There's approximately four Remington rolling blocks,two Spencer's,at least one 1873 slab side Winchester. Two 45/120 Sharps. All going for 600-800 dollars,or less. That's per rifle.
Back to Top
Oldhand View Drop Down
Groupie
Groupie
Avatar

Joined: February 19 2018
Location: Tucson, Az
Status: Offline
Points: 95
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Oldhand Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 13 2018 at 7:24am
Something no one has mentioned is the grip angle and feel of the Remington is better than the Colt. To me just points more naturally. Oldhand
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  12>
  Share Topic   

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down

Forum Software by Web Wiz Forums® version 11.05
Copyright ©2001-2016 Web Wiz Ltd.