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charly45
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Rhino is that the blue pill or the purple one(damn alshiemers)can never keep them stright lol
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Im here to kick a$$ and chew bubble gum, and im alll out of bubble gum!!
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White Rhino
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Blue !!!! and dont take a whole one ....it will make you have flash backs of High School............
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"White Rhino"
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charly45
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Yes sir thought i would it wake hoadie up lol,never taken one lol my older friend said he was in pain for hours lol
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Im here to kick a$$ and chew bubble gum, and im alll out of bubble gum!!
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White Rhino
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I was just worried the girls in the barn would walk into the gun room before the Wife got home and embarrass the hell out of me ....But I was having them High School flash backs .... Pulled the shirt out my pants to hide the evidence...Just in case some one came into the Gun Shop ...LOL!!!
Good thing I didnt have any customers that evening ..... not that I needed the things ..but was just curious if they worked ....I got them from my Wife's Uncle .... |
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"White Rhino"
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hoadie
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i REMEMBER 1ST TIME i TOOK ONE(WAS IN tORONTO W/THE WIFE FOR WEEKEND)took a pill-didnt feel anything hour or so later so I took another(whole pills)Lemme tell ya what happens when ya overdose on that stuff...1st ya turn beet red(geeze hon-isnt it awful hot in here?George-how can you be hot?Your outside in March in a T shirt) Then your head starts to pound(could actually see the viens on the side of my head pulsating!)nausea off & on..I'm hungry but cant eat.
When I was talkin to Doc later he asked how it worked for me.I told him that I couldnt understand how folks could have sex-when you have a headache like THAT.When he found out how much I had taken he told me I was lucky I didnt croak!!He meant for me to take 1/2 to 1/3 of ONE pill!! Be careful with that stuff! He also told me that if the erection should last 4 hours or longer to call him right away.I asked what HE intended do do with it..& told him I wasnt like that.If I had one that lasted THAT long-I was gonna show it to all the old ladies on my street!!! Woody |
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White Rhino
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Im pissin My self laughing Hoadie ...Ya need a stand up routine ....Ya killin Me !!!!!!
Yea , 1/3 to 1/2 is all I need to have them High School plash backs ...... |
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"White Rhino"
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Tony
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I think something WAS standing up Rhino he just didn't know what to do with it. When I was talkin to Doc later he asked how it worked for me.I told him that I couldnt understand how folks could have sex-when you have a headache like THAT See he got it wrong again!! SHE has the headaches hoadie lad not you! |
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LE Owner
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I downloaded the accurate Arms loading manual to try to figure out what sort of load you were using. Theres no data for the .303 in this issue of the manual but the data for the .308 Winchester using 2520 and a 150 gr bullet lists a velocity of 2832 fps and a chamber pressure of 61,000 PSI.
If the load you are using is generating anywhere near 60,000 psi to get 2800 fps its not one I'd consider using or recommending.
Loads that hot have been considered proper for the P-14 and a very few other .303 rifles, but Ive never heard these recommended for the LE actions.
The 150 gr bullet loads I use are in the neighborhood of 2600 fps, plenty enough punch for deer sized game and with far less stress on the rifle. Groups are consistently sub moa, and as others have said shot placement is a factor.
As for the little blue pill , I've never had need of them, but if I paid good money for such and it lasted no more than four hours I'd want my money back.
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airforcediver
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She didn't seem to notice I smacked her with a 150gn Sierra Game king Consequently neither did she
So in closing I'm sure if I can come across a buck in the rifle area he'll have no problem with that either
AFD
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If all else fails call in a MOAB and call it a day
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charly45
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Howdy airforcediver did you mean sierra gameking, or speer 150g??just curios
THanx Nice shootin on the bird!!! |
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airforcediver
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Lol dam lack of Coffee this morning, it has profound affects on me
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thank you
AFD
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If all else fails call in a MOAB and call it a day
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LE Owner
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I'm looking into information on the development of the .303 and recently found mention of the "Velopex" bullet designed by a gentleman named Leslie B Taylor who worked for Westley Richards.
Its stated that the Velopex was the basis for the lightweight nose plug of the MkVII bullet.
I'm sorting through some other sources which suggest that a 150 grain version of the Velopex was tested for the .303, which may be where the suggestion of a 150 gr bullet at 2,600 fps would have been an ideal infantry rifle load for the .303.
The Velopex was marketed for use in much larger bore Express rifles, the wooden plug allowed the light bullet of the express loads while allowing a large enough bearing surface, and the size of the bullet was about the same as that of a heavier bullet with all lead core.
The Velopex was tested alongside the "Swift" pointed long range match bullet designed by Captain J H Hardcastle. Near as I can tell the 225 grain swift would have been very nearly the same size and profile as the later MkVII, the substitution of the Velopex style shortened lead core with light weight nose plug reducing the weight to 174 grains.
I have no doubt that the standard military MkVII bullet has taken far more game than any of the commercial sporting loads using conventional soft point bullets, though its notable wounding action may not be consistent at all ranges.
I believe the prior use of the Velopex as a game bullet should put to rest apologists claims that the light nose plug was adopted due to its ballistic efficiency rather than its wounding effects, especially after the British had issued both exposed lead and even hollow point bullets to increase killing power of the lower velocity pre WW1 .303 ammunition.
Some after action photos I've seen of Poachers killed by Indian Game Wardens using the .303 have shown wounds to the chest so large that the landscape is visible through the hole, and almost all of the muscle torn from the upper arm of a survivor, the entire bone being exposed.
In recent years theres been some discussion on whether such bullets should be used by our own military, and the Russian "poison bullet" certainly had a similar effect.
The high velocity of the 5.56 can produce horrific wounds, but at longer ranges the effect is greatly reduced, and the shorter barrel of the M4 carbines doesn't always give enough velocity to generate much more than a through and through bullet sized hole that has little manstopper effect. Use of slower twist barrels like those once used with the 55 grain bullets allows the heavier bullets now in use to destablise but at the cost of reduced long range accuracy.
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I use the Hornady 150 gr .312 bullet in loads for my No.4.
Due to the generous throat of my Savage barrel I seat the bullet with the cannelure exposed and don't crip, I made an undersized exander plug to allow enough neck tension so the bullet will not be driven back into the neck when cycling the bolt.
By not using a crimp the variation in pull strength is greatly reduced, and this allows a high degree of accuracy. I also only size .2" of the neck. Once a case has been fired twice rotating 180 degrees on the second firing, leaving a bit of neck unsized results in the now evenly expanded case to center perfectly, which along with the reduction in jump allows the optimum positioning of bullet to throat . These are old benchrest tricks that work well and very nearly eliminate the deletrious effects of the often loose chambers and throat of Milsurp rifles.
To insure smooth feeding I use each fired case once as a snapper for dry fire practice, the striker blow is just enough to loosen the fit of the expanded case slightly so it will feed smoothly in the field.
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Hugo Steiglitz
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Mine is simple..150 grain Sierra Prohunter over 41 grains of IMR 4895. Excellent in my #4.
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I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.
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hoadie
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As mentioned earlier in Birthdays section..Hatchet confirms hes going to be hookin up with me & my mob for whitetail this Nov @ my cabin.(This is gonna be a treat!)Got the #5 all spruced up,just for Hatchet.
Think he may be in for a bit of a shock.Huntin goats & camels in your sandals is alot different than hunting whitetail in the cold Nov woods.(They put a new meaning to "fast food" Hoadie |
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White Rhino
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LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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"White Rhino"
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White Rhino
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Tell Hatchet, He welcome down here in the Swamp if He wants ...all is open ... cept gators !!!!!But I could hook Him up LOL!!!!
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"White Rhino"
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