What is this stuff? (strange ".303-like") |
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Shamu
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Posted: December 14 2014 at 1:46pm |
I'll post pics soon but here's the gist of it.
If I took a .303 case, cut the end off to make it 1 1/2" long. Didn't bother with the case neck, just left it about .359" in Dia., Filled it with 17 1/2Gr. of brown flakes that seem to be 2 different sizes?? & primed it with a shotgun primer, had absolutely no projectile & sealed it with paper or rubber that was saturated with white wax, what would you have? Beats the heck out of me but I just "inherited" 2 X 10-round brown paper tied with old string packets of them. They came with some packets of the Indian-made .410 shotgun ball rounds, but the packet, although similar is smaller & once had a sticky label that fell off is about 1/2" shorter than the ones with labels for the .410 ball rounds.. If it helps any the headstamp reads: "No1" "1" "K" (Eley-Kynoch maybe") "52" (year, possibly? Any ideas gents? |
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SW28fan
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Blank?
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I was gonna say...blank rounds for ceremonial?
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I concur with Hoadie!!!! |
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Shamu
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They are definitely blanks, but for what?
I don't think they'll feed from a magazine because of the length & lack of a shoulder. I'll get some pics taken today. |
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OK pics.
The top wrapper & case is my mystery item. The .303 live rounds is just for size comparison & the .410 shot-she!! in the bottom is to show the similarities (& differences) between my oddball & the regular Indian .410 round. The "white dot" is the (waxed? paper/rubber)? seal from the case mouth which held about 17 Gr of some brown flake powder that seems to be in 2 different granulations! You can see the wrapper is similar to, but smaller than the shot she!! wrapper & seems to be unmarked, or a sticky label fell off, leaving slight traces of glue which don't photograph well. |
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I'd suggest they are for ceremonial duty. Will had feed & eject with the bolt, as the rim is still there.
Course, the plug (seal) will vapourize upon firing. That's my take on this. Hoadie |
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....unless, what type of charge would they use for greande launch?
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The grenade launchers were short, crimped blanks, there was also a ceremonial blank that had a double neck down & was the length of a loaded Mk7 round so they would feed from a magazine.
The powders in them were very different, the salute blanks were either B/P or a fast burning pistol powder, but the grenade launches were some slow burning stuff called "Ballistite" so they wouldn't go high pressure with the extra weight of the grenade. I tried loading on into the rifle. There's no way they'll even fit in a magazine the case is so short it doesn't reach the front magazine lips! You can single load them though & they'll extract & eject just fine. |
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What kind of cartridge did the Royal Navy use in "line throwing" Enfields??
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I don't know. Maybe the same stuff used for grenade launching?
If the line throwers were modified it might make sense that that may be what this is? |
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In the US Navy it is the same as the Grenade launching the line is attached to a rubber faux grenade. Note it really hurts if you accidentally get hit by one.
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Apparently its the same in the Brit service, but the cases are partially blackened to ID them as not being "salute blanks". The Brits also use a rod with a loop in the end, kind of like a giant, brass
sewing needle. Now THAT will leave a mark!
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It might be an attempt at a slug load for a .410 breech loading shotgun. Load the round ball into the chamber, followed by the loaded .303 brass which contains the powder charge and wad. You may have to insert a bit of paper in the chamber ahead of the ball to prevent the ball from rolling down and out the barrel.
What I do is anneal and blow out the .303 brass to form fit to the .410 shotgun. That gives you 2 1/2" brass she!! case. Prime, add powder charge, insert some wad material, add the ball, cover with a top wad and gently run it into a.308 seating die to slightly fold it, to hold the top wad in place. My .410 shotgun is a bolt action, so I have to sand the head of the .303 case thinner so the bolt will close on it (this I have to do before I blow out the cases). With a break action .410 it might not be necessary to shave the case head.
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Shamu
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Wow old thread! I'd totally forgotten it.
Let me see if I can find the missing pic & re-post it. Yep here it is. Bottom is a .410 ball shotgun round for the .410 converted Enfields. Center is a standard .303 softpoint reload round for comparison. Top is the mystery "case" & "plug". I finally found out what exactly it was but forgot to post the answer. I tried several forums some MilSurp, some Collectible, some ammo & so on, but no-one seemed to know what the heck it was. After that I got esoteric & started all sorts of unlikely corners looking for an answer. Many on the forums were stumped but helpfully sent all sorts of manuals & so on in an attempt to help. The reason it was so hard to find turns out to be really, really simple, once you know it of course. Its not actually a "cartridge case"! Its an igniter for a British "Ack Pack" flame thrower! Technically a "Ignitor, No1 Mk1 for Flamethrower, Portable, No 2" now there's a mouthful. Apparently they came packed in 10's because you'd get 10 "squirts" from the flamethrower & so you loaded 10 igniters to set them ablaze. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flamethrower,_Portable,_No_2 |
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^^thats pretty cool. also good you found out what the ammo was
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