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    Posted: August 01 2012 at 10:05am
Well well, lucky me. I just inherited a very nice rifle with a bit of history, perhaps. My wife's grandfather was an artillery officer in WW2, was at DDay +1, and Bastogne. I had the privilege of spending some time with him before he passed a few years ago (RIP) and he was a great hero in many respects. 

My father-in-law just presented me with the rifle above that belonged to him. It has clearly seen some action, but is in amazing shape, IMO. Beautiful gun, zero rust, and near perfect everything. Can someone more knowledgeable than I help me nail down the specifics? I believe I have an Enfield .303 Mk5. Right? 

The markings are relatively clear, Enfield, 1924, ShtLE V, then enf - 303, 2-222", 18.5 NS, (crown) BNP, A 2829. 

The question I have is, will any of the aftermarket stocks I found on Boyd's fit the rifle I have? http://www.boydsgunstocks.com/SearchResults.asp?Search=enfield&Search.x=0&Search.y=0


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By the way, what looks like pitting on the bolt is actually very smooth wear, as far as I can tell. (if it was ever rust, it was well cleaned, then oiled...)

Any guesses on an overall value?
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A MkV. please do not even consider putting an aftermarket stock on it, leave it just the way it is. They are not that common and yours looks to be a pretty nice specimen.
Worth a lot more than the average No1, No4 or No5.
If you want to make a sporter, start with one that has already been through Bubbas hands.
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A lovely firearm. I would leave it as is.
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An MkV. OK. Thanks. I was thinking I could put on a nice set of wood and a scope for shooting, and then could restore to original any time I wanted to with nothing lost, no?
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Originally posted by frozentundra frozentundra wrote:

An MkV. OK. Thanks. I was thinking I could put on a nice set of wood and a scope for shooting, and then could restore to original any time I wanted to with nothing lost, no?
 
You will be amazed how well it will shoot just as she is, but yes if I was to change one I would do it as you mentioned
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"The question I have is, will any of the aftermarket stocks I found on Boyd's fit the rifle I have?"

Dude, way to throw gas on the fire! You wanted the After Market sub forum, but even there...
Yes, Boyds, ATI and others make stocks which will fit.
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The SMLE Mk V is rare, and your one looks like it is in lovely condition. I would not do anything to it, apart from cleaning and shooting. If you want a sportster, buy a No4 that has already been done or needs repair. The rear sight position on the MkV makes it special. It should shoot well just as it is. 
Sporterizing it would reduce the value by more than the price buy of a second rifle in my opinion. 
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I'm going to put some rounds through her first, and check it out. Sorry to offend the delicate sensibilities of the purists. Not intentional. I'm sure I'm labeled as "Bubba" from here on out. So, might as well go with it. Wacko On the Boyd's site, I see #1 MkIII and #4 MKI - will either fit? 

I haven't fully decided to go that route, but am considering it. I don't have the dough for another rifle at the moment, and am hoping to make the most of what I've got. (Assuming I can restore it to original at any time, and not have it be that big of a deal.) 

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Please do not sporter that rifle. An SMLE Mk V is a trials rifle, they were the stepping stone between the No 1 Mk III* and the No 4 Mk 1. In the grand scheme of things not a whole lot were made. Many have since been sported over the years and now people are paying HUGE amounts of money to either buy an original or fix one back to original. There are lots of No 1 and No 4 rifles already out there. Please, I beg you, use one of those and leave this Mk V in it's current condition. It is worth far more than you realize. You could take a No 1 or No 4 and do a non-permanent alteration, but I would not do that to a Mk V. I would keep it together as is and only shoot it once in a while. That rifle is an investment piece.
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Appreciate the input gents. I am having serious second thoughts about sporterizing it. I'll try to find out a bit more on it. Can anyone point me in the direction of a good resource on its history, etc? Also, anyone have an idea of value? 

I don't think I want to sell it, but who knows. then maybe I'd go look for a used Mini-14 to fool around with stocks on. Wink
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They only made around 20,000 MkV rifles according to Ian Skennerton's "Bible". To put that in perspective; Savage made over 1,2 million No4 rifles, add to that production from Faz', Maltby, Long Branch etc and you get the idea!To put a value on it is difficult, as different parts of the world vary in price, and I've never seen one for sale! If it were in France, I would pay 2,000 dollars for it no question. (because I want one)
You could e-mail EFD Rifles in the UK who specialise in Lee Enfield's, they are very helpful and could advise on real values
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Its not just a matter of Purists, I enjoy shooting a nicely sporterized rifle, but would never consider sporterizing such a rare piece as the MkV, or any of the rarer models.
A bog standard No.1 or No.4 would be one of millions like it, and no great loss if put in sporter wood and scoped (a purist would be agast at those words). Still I'd not consider sporterizing a No.1 or No.4 unless it had been previously altered beyond reasonable cost of restoration.
 
A roughly sporterized (bubba'ed with butchered stock) No.1 or no.4 found in a pawn shop would be improved by a quality sporter stock (wood is the only material suitable for rifle stocks), and a proper scope mounting.
 
If you still want a Enfield sporter pre disastered Enfields are usually fairly cheap at pawn shops or some gunshops. Then you could customise to your hearts content without guilt, and likely end up with a very fine sporter that might be of service to generations of hunters in your family.
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Sporterizing?  Or how to turn a rifle worth more than $600 into one worrh $100!
If you want a "sporter" trade it off for one that already has been sportyized.
Or sell it , and you could buy a commercial sporting rifle
 
You might want to keep in mind that wile 20,000 No1Mk5's were made, it's been over 80 years and a world war since then that has greatly  decreased the number available
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Interestingly enough, I haven't heard to many of you offer to buy it.
 If this rifle was in my country, it's value would be in four figures and highly contested if on the market.
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Interestingly enough, we haven't heard an offer ; )
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