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    Posted: January 18 2018 at 6:44am
I worked with a buddy who retired about two years before me. He's currently about 70 yrs old. His dad, now deceased, was in the military and stationed in Hong Kong at the beginning of war. He was lucky(?) And spent the rest of the war in a Japanese POW camp. I asked buddy if he ever talked about his experiences. Buddy pondered for a minute, then said no, but that his dad didn't like rice.
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Must've been in the Winnipeg rifles
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God Bless them all.

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Amen to that! Little training, no support... fought like veterans! While the outcome was inevitable, I believe we may have bloodied their nose a bit!
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Originally posted by Honkytonk Honkytonk wrote:

Amen to that! Little training, no support... fought like veterans! While the outcome was inevitable, I believe we may have bloodied their nose a bit!


I think they kicked them in the shorts and if they had support they would have kicked them all way back to Japan.

My Father has a American Born Canadian and had no love for the Japs. He know what happen and was out to return actions.
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There was a few stories about that episode. Turns out that Churchill & the Cdn PM knew they would be sacrificed. (Not very cricket there!)
There was a VC or two issued - obviously posthumously.
And a dog..the mascot was also picking up Japaneese grenades & returning them..then skedaddling, until one went off in his mouth before he could drop it.
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Governments killing their good people.

Big governments sucks.

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..its all about political appearance.
Like Pearl Harbour..U.S. needed an "incident" to get them into the 2nd twirl at war. To do it - even tho it would have been the "right thing" to do - without the American population onside would have been political suicide. So, sacrifice the lads @ Pearl, & everyone is "onside".
Twas the same with Hong Kong. That same scenario has been repeated so many times in so many places. The names change..but not the results.
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Sad but true.
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In my humble opinion, I truly believe times were different then. Two world wars in 30 years? I can't imagine the weight of those decisions to sacrifice brave soldiers for the final end result didn't haunt the leaders of the free world to their graves. Dieppe, Hong Kong, Pearl Harbour. Many, many more... I like to think these fallen heroes were the toughest SOB's their countries had to offer at the time...
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Well - we now know that Dieppe wasn't the "failure" that it has always been considered. The Germans knew they were coming..it was planned that way. But - unknown to the world til recent, there was a British commando team that was tasked to enter the German naval HQ there to obtain an enigma machine.(The hotel still stands there.)Meanwhile, just 200 yds off the coast was a British destroyer with a man waiting to take delivery of it(Intrepid). The machine wasn't there, so they withdrew & no-one on our side was any the wiser.
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BTW: Not many realize that approx. 200 American Marines joined in on that "raid"
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I watched a show on the Dieppe raid by Canadian military historian David O'Keefe. It is very well researched, and informs the public after so many years the intent of the raid. Very informative and makes me proud to be Canadian!
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the pacific was not wellsupported in the beginning because of the more crucial/strategic atlantic front , i think the plan was in motion from the beginning but the logistics were beyond some capabilities at the time so development had to occur , 

the sacrifices of those in the pacific are unforgivable but i think unavoidable at that time with the current technology and capabilities , we more than made up in the end but the personal losses and suffering we have to acknowledge , its why i remember - i was raised with it , i almost never heard of the european war growing up , except in school , now even that is lost , 
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Prior to America's entry into the 2nd whirl at war, it was decided that a "holding action" in the Pacific would be taken, until the European theatre could be stabilized. (Remember-Britain was at her rope's end). Once that had been realized, America came down the Pacific road with everything she had...glad I wasn`t there.
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yes , that was how i was educated as well , i agree with the plan as i have the vission of hind site but i think those on corrigador might have asked for a little more , there were a lot of casualties on the batan march and the philipenes sufferd , austrailia was in their sights , 
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