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    Posted: August 29 2017 at 1:02pm
he!!o everyone, I'm new to the site but I have an enfield that's been in the family for a long time. I haven't had any luck finding where it was made by the serial number, I know most have a number to start with but this one has a W which has stumped me. It's a 1943 and the full number is W7861. The number is located on the collar behind the trigger and also on the bottom of the magazine. It also says England at the front of the reciever And has a small symbol underneath that I can't make out. The extractor also has a crown symbol I've seen on others and what looks like a crossed pair of clubs or cudgels. I'll post pics when I can figure out how, any info is appreciated.
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i want to see more of it ,  i cant be certain what you have there 

more than one factory used single letter prefix in early years , my 1915 BSA has a Z and four digits , they were the only ones making these in the 40s [other than lithgow] but my 42  mkIII* has five digits after the prefix , 

W was used by -

BSA in 1913 , 1915 , 
SSA in 1917 , 1918 ,
NRF in 1918 , 

it is suggested that ROF Enfield used it in 1912 and might have run it two or three times in 1916 , 1917 , 1918 based on production numbers 

oh and ishy used W in 1963 , 1972 and 1974 production 
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It says 1943 above the serial number so I don't think it's from that old an era of enfields.There's also markings on the end of the barrel which if I remember right are import marks but I could be wrong. It says 303 2 22 NP 18+ tons, don't know if that helps at all. Also found the number 229 faintly underneath the serial number right above the trigger guard screw.
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A bit of a guess here but that paint looks Indian to me. They had a habit of removing existing markings including numbers & re stamping with their own serials. The cocking piece is the early type with the rounded rear, which doesn't tally with the date. This tends to reinforce my opinion it was scrubbed & remarked.

"ENGLAND" is a pre 1968 U.S. Import requirement & the markings on the barrel are proof pressures. The crossed dohickeys are actually seaxes & its a proof mark.
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That makes sense, it's got a few coats of green painted on it but it's been scraped away on the serial numbers. They're also much deeper marks than the others, the 1943 is barely legible. The round cocking piece and the rear sight struck me as odd for a wartime rifle since I thought they were luxuries they couldn't afford at the time, especially mid war.
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It is a No4Mk1 rifle. 
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A lot of rifles used in the tropics were painted either green or Khaki,  it was an anti-rust measure I guess they used whatever color they had available, hence the green or Khaki.
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yes , as ZED points out its a number 4 , i had been thinking no 1 as it had the older cocking piece , i was thinking maybe an FTR ,  totally different set of info needs to be researched ,

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if its a 43 , BSA was using double letter prefixes , the singles in 42 and 44 never got to "W" or skipped it , they did use 4 digit numbers in the early contract tho , so im guessing this is a late 42/early 43 BSA that got stamped in 43 . 

Maltby does not seem to have used it in 42 and they were also double letter in 43 , and five digit numbers 

as was FAZ , they did use it in 46 for no5s ,


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This rifle also has the hollowed out bolt handle knob.
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