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    Posted: May 07 2017 at 4:02pm
I recently received this enfield from my grandfather. He knew nothing about it, and none in my area know. I know it is a no4 mk1, but don't know when it was made or when. Or what a lot of these markings mean. If someone could help me i would greatly appreciate it.
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I expect someone a bit more knowledgeable than me will be along before too long. I think some of the marks are a bit hard to read. But in the meantime, to state the (fairly) obvious, the first picture identifies it as a No4 Mk1 and the "F(FTR) 48" tells you that it went to the Royal Ordnance Factory at Fazackerley (Liverpool, England) in 1948 to be FTR'd. Below that is the rifle's serial number and I can also make that out on the third picture. As for the origins of the rifle, I bow to anyone with superior knowledge or references there.
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It also has the British DND crow's foot stamp.
Some of the stamps in the wood may be rack no's..not sure.

Can we see more pics?
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These are all the other markings I could see. Quite a few of them on this gun, in random places. Also, at the tip of the barrel, not pictured, are the numbers 303222,with "18+ tons"underneath.
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Generally speaking if the original stampings look like they were done by a drunken Monkey they it was made at the Royal Ordinance Factory Maltby. 
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Hey!

Let's not talk bad about drunk monkeys.

Some of them are in my family tree.

Also they make great stew.
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Originally posted by hoadie hoadie wrote:

It also has the British DND crow's foot stamp.


 
The correct term is 'Broad Arrow'. It was put on all purchases by the War Department.
 
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...Still looks like a crows foot
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"Also they make great stew."
As in they cook a good stew, or they taste good in one?
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im not fond of monkeys ..............

well , Faz was assigned the 20000-29999 series of serial numbers and used the single digit and HA thru PF prefixes , Faz used the N prefix in 42 for the no4s , the A suffix indicates something but i cannot recall exactly what it was so ill let someone else chime in with that , 
 
it most definitely was FTRd there at Faz in 48 but not upgraded to mk2 , Faz made the mkI thru 1949 , both BSA and Maltby stopped in 45 , with the no4 adopted in Nov 39 , both Faz nd Maltby were new ROFs set up to make them and BSA built their shirly plant for the no4 as well , all started production in 41 

the stampings on the wrist do look like maltby to me too , BSA also marked the wrist , Faz marked the left receiver both with new production and FTR work , you can faintly see the original markings under the FTR markings , 
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Monkey is great eating, over the fire or in a stew.

All dark meat.

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I think that the "A" suffix on the serial number indicates that the rifle uses some non-standard parts

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That would make sense, because the bolt and the sights say mkII
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there were variations in backsights and bolts and all components , these also got mk numbers in some cases , some just variation numbers associated with the rifle mk , it can make things more complicated , 

the third variation rear sight was designated mk II , this was the war expedient flip sight according to my chart , BTW there were two mkI variations ,

there were 5 variations for the no4 rifle mkI-mkIV ,  again two variations of the mkI , 
there were 3 variations for the no5 rifle , also two variations of the mkI ,
there were two canadian variations Cmk3 & Cmk4 , similar to british versions but made only at longbranch for their rifles , 
and there was a ninth variation for the L8 rifles ,
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