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I shot my rifle last night in the back yard and hit the pop can I was aiming for. It is so much fun shooting these old rifles!!!! I can't wait to get some targets set up so I can see how well it groups!
 
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I went to a military shoot last weekend. My Enfield won the military rifle open sights class! There were quite a few unaltered rifles there and I was wishing mine was not sporterized. Question....... Would there be a chance of degrading accuracy of the rifle if it were brought back to original condition with a full handguard/nosecap?
 
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They do require individual fitting, so yes, its possible. But its also possible that it would improve if the fitting was done well as the originals used a spring-loaded "tab" at the front to fine tune the barrel, something you can't do with most sporter stocks.
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i need an explanation of the date on that enfield made rifle - it has a very interesting first character in that photo - it should be a 1 but appears something else 
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Great to hear that your Enfield won competition. What distance do you shoot at?
I'm off on Friday to shoot at our Service rifle National finals with my No1MkIII*; although I don't expect to be anywhere near the top. If I can improve my score I'll be happy.
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i need an explanation of the date on that enfield made rifle - it has a very interesting first character in that photo - it should be a 1 but appears something else 


I will get a better picture for you this evening.

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Originally posted by Shamu Shamu wrote:

They do require individual fitting, so yes, its possible. But its also possible that it would improve if the fitting was done well as the originals used a spring-loaded "tab" at the front to fine tune the barrel, something you can't do with most sporter stocks.


I am patient and will research fitting an Enfield stock before I ever start. I have done glass bedding jobs on several rimfire and center fire guns. I have not done too much wood working other than a sand/finish/bedding job on a Boyds Blaster for a 10/22.

The No.1 stocks are hard to come by...... It's going to be an adventure getting this thing back to original or close to it!

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Originally posted by Zed Zed wrote:

Great to hear that your Enfield won competition. What distance do you shoot at?
I'm off on Friday to shoot at our Service rifle National finals with my No1MkIII*; although I don't expect to be anywhere near the top. If I can improve my score I'll be happy.


Just 100 and 200 yards. It was a short stroke!

Best of luck to you at the finals with your LE!

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What I found was that you used a diminishing loop through the bedding contact points.
King screw/bushing/recoil shoulders & trigger guard first, then Knoxx form, then barrel clear channel but bedded tip, then butt socket & forend to wrist, then back to the front & rear of the trigger guard. Each time you go through the loop you make smaller & smaller changes as needed till there's no more to do.

Its not exactly traditional but I like (cleaned) soda/beer can strips for shim. Why? Because its so thin you can cut with kitchen shears, bend with bare hands (although I suggest gloves be worn), & built up in tiny layers like a laminate. You can use things like fired cases as hole punches too. That makes it very easy to add or subtract a little pressure easily when "tuning" for fit.

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Originally posted by Zed Zed wrote:

Great to hear that your Enfield won competition. What distance do you shoot at?
I'm off on Friday to shoot at our Service rifle National finals with my No1MkIII*; although I don't expect to be anywhere near the top. If I can improve my score I'll be happy.





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ah - 1917 , that is a far better photo , thanks 
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I'm wanting to restore this rifle to period correct wood and metal and have a few question for you experts!

Can anyone help with what facility this rifle would have been produced out of?
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What original wood type would it have been built on?
 
Which era nose metal and bands was it suppose to have?
 
I believe it should have a later serrated cocking piece, right?

Having an "S" or "school" disc on the buttstock; does this this seem like it could be the original stock for this rifle?

Also, with a stamp of "17" on the left barrel side; does that meant it was re barrelled in 1917? The barrel was numbered 1026 previous and Xed out. Why would a 1917 need to be re barrelled in its same year?

The bolt handle is one number off from the barrel/receiver. It is stamped 1476 and appears to not have been re stamped. The barrel/receiver is stamped 1475 as shown in the pictures. Was it just stamped wrong by the armorer?

Sorry for all the questions guys! These guns are addicting!!!!

Much thanks in advance!

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Originally posted by BMP BMP wrote:

I'm wanting to restore this rifle to period correct wood and metal and have a few question for you experts!

Can anyone help with what facility this rifle would have been produced out of?
Royal Small Arms Factory Enfield
 
What original wood type would it have been built on?
More than likely it would have been walnut.
 
Which era nose metal and bands was it suppose to have?
Any nose cap that has the solid ears would suffice. The band for the sling swivel probably would have been the hinged type.
 
I believe it should have a later serrated cocking piece, right?
Not necessarily. They used what they had in stores at assembly and during repairs. It's not uncommon to see the older cocking piece on a newer rifle. I recommend leaving it as is.

Having an "S" or "school" disc on the buttstock; does this this seem like it could be the original stock for this rifle?
There is no way to know if the buttstock is original or not.

Also, with a stamp of "17" on the left barrel side; does that meant it was re barrelled in 1917? The barrel was numbered 1026 previous and Xed out. Why would a 1917 need to be re barrelled in its same year?
Yes, the '17 means it was re-barreled in 1917. A rifle being re-barreled in the year of manufacture is not uncommon at all. When training they put a heck of a lot of rounds through these rifles. Also consider battle damage, damage from over cleaning and such and it's not unusual.

The bolt handle is one number off from the barrel/receiver. It is stamped 1476 and appears to not have been re stamped. The barrel/receiver is stamped 1475 as shown in the pictures. Was it just stamped wrong by the armorer?
My thought would be that it was probably stamped incorrectly when the bolt was fitted. Being only one number off seems to make that more probable. A replacement bolt may also explain the older style cocking piece. As I said, they used any parts available for repairs. The armourer's didn't care what we would think of as "correct", the rifle had to function, period.

Sorry for all the questions guys! These guns are addicting!!!!

Much thanks in advance!

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an example well worth your efforts and the bits you need should be findable with options oof quality etc , these were the more prolific of the early rifles , you have a keeper and a great project , 
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