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Lee Enfield
Groupie Joined: December 24 2014 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 30 |
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Yep, me rifle does have a bit of a "jump", the first round in the picture (which is 0.020" off the lands) is a Hornady 150gn Interlock flat base @ OAL=3.070", second round is a Hornady 123gn SST flat base @ OAL=3.060", third round is a Woodleigh 130gn Protected Point flat base @ OAL=3.040" and the fourth is a Speer 123gn SP flat base @ OAL=2.950". Both 123gn Projectiles are 0.310" and i don't seem to have any problems with accuracy from them as long as they are driven fairly hard. The seating depths might seem a bit slim but I do a lot of testing using different components and powder and I get great results with these combinations. All brass is fire formed PPU and CCI-200 primers have never failed me and are reliably consistent. These components and carefull/accurate reloading steps I think are what attribute to ES's and SD's in the very low double digits and even single digits, and if I do my part, give me shot to shot consistency which attributes to accuracy. The big bonus is all the loads have proven themselves on game out to 300+yards (a poor Crow copped a 123gn SST @ 420 yards...ranged !....ouch...just a puff off black feathers). All load testing is "Chronographed" and recorded. I use "Load from a Disc" all the time as well as "ADI" data and a few other paperback sources. I find a "good" ballistics App for the "Smartphone" handy too. The next test projectile/load testing, when the components come in (waiting...waiting...), are Barnes 108gn MPG (Multi Purpose Green) flat base projies and "Sabot" rounds which take 0.224" projies. If ys like I'll keep you posted. Some people must think I'm a bit "looney" (my "Misses" definitely does !) but I just love doing this sh!t and if I ain't huntin' or accurizing some blokes rifle and ammo what is a guy supposed to do ! (apart from maybe having some "liquid sustenance"....very important to one's self being).
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Lee Enfield
Groupie Joined: December 24 2014 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 30 |
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I forgot to add I don't follow Rugby but I love me "AFL"...Ozzi Rules Football as we call it....."carn the Hawks" (you've got to be Australian to understand !). It ain't "Footy" season but Cricket will do.
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DairyFarmer
Senior Member Joined: July 19 2014 Location: In The South Status: Offline Points: 555 |
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I see that the developer for load From A Disc has past away.
I use PointBlank. Great program and it is portable. So put it on a stick or onto your GDrive and it is available anywhere. I am pedantic when it comes to my reloads. Each batch (even if components are the same) is recorded and given a number (i.e. 303_002_B). I colour code my primers too with permanent markers. Everything is added to PointBlank. Tragets and velocities (if recorded). I am slowly building up a record of every load I make. The graphs are very accurate. I normally use the 1st point blank distance to check groups and velocities. Then I use the second point blank range to check. Saves a lot of walking! By this time next year I hope to have a SuperChrono so I can check velocity at the second point blank range.
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Lee Enfield
Groupie Joined: December 24 2014 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 30 |
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Do yourself a favour, get a "chrony", a "Kestrel" hand held weather station and a spotting scope....you'll never look back. . It sounds like your as pedantic as I am. Nothing wrong with that, the more you can decrease your "variables", the more consistent your loads will be and your groups. This gives you confidence in your equipment and your ability. Regular practice usually achieves this and working up/ testing loads is a great way to do this and it's fun. I'm a hunter (stalker actually....Game animals,not humans....generally ). Now I don't really need "sub 0.5 MOA or sub MOA groups to do this, but my close hunting buddies and I normally don't aim for the "Big bit"...As my mates son says :quote.."I'm going for the left eyebrow of the Mozzi sittin' on that Deer's neck"....The bugger 9 times out of 10 severes the spinal cord and bleeds the damn thing....oh how I wish I had young eyes again. I've spent a considerable amount of time and effort in accurizing there firearms and loads (they have a small arsenal....God help anybody that starts a war with them) and this result was achievable because all of the equipment above is used. They've seen the results and repeatedly can reproduce them....When they do miss a fox or deer or traveling salesman (only joking) there is none of this "IT MUST BE THE GUN", they know that they "STUFFED THE SHOT".
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daneko
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would like to know where you may be getting the 224 sabots..that sounds like a lot of fun.....
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Lee Enfield
Groupie Joined: December 24 2014 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 30 |
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It's a bit of an experiment. A friend has ordered some with the seating tool "on-line". He's got a "Remington 7600" P/A rifle in 30-06 and pops 150gn pills out of it for Deer, he stumbled on to this website (sabotreloadingpro.com). He's anxious to try it...says the load data they suggest pushes a 0.224" 55gn pill @ 4200+fps. The sabots are for .308 Cal. but they might bump up and work in the .303. It's worth a try.
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Shamu
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There used to be a guy in "Shotgun News" selling sabots, loader & load data. I don't know if its him or he still does it, but it might be worth checking out.
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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)
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White Rhino
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I have always been interested in loading Sabots !!!! more info please !!
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"White Rhino"
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paddyofurniture
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What would you use for a bullet, a 223?
UOTE=White Rhino] I have always been interested in loading Sabots !!!! more info please !! [/QUOTE] |
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Always looking for military manuals, Dodge M37 items,books on Berlin Germany, old atlases ( before 1946) , military maps of Scotland. English and Canadian gun parts.
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Shamu
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I looked at it a while back. The thing is that Remington tried it with .308 & (I think) 30-06, the twist rates were supposedly all wrong for the .223 bullets so accuracy was iffy.
Most .30's are 1: 10 or 1:12 but .223 is closer to 1:7. |
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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)
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Lee Enfield
Groupie Joined: December 24 2014 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 30 |
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Thanks Shamu, I new someone must have "tinkered" with these things before and was wondering what sort of problems might crop up. The mate who's purchasing the "Sabots" is only getting a couple hundred and his words were "If it works...GREAT, if it doesn't...it doesn't. ". By the look of it the bigger "cals" don't have a fast enough " twist rate to stabilize the little .224" projectiles, he's got plenty on hand to play with....I think he said about 2000 of the 55gn and 600 of the 69gn. Ahh well, if nothin else at least we'll have a little fun playing around with'em. .I've got two more jobs to play around with after the this one.... 110 grainers in a 300 Winchester Magnum and "load" accuracy testing (3 different projectile combinations...240gn, 265gn and 300gn.) a 444 Marlin ! ( OUCH.. my shoulder ain't gunna like them two) and I think one of the "Deer Hunting Club" members wants me to sort out his 35 Whelen and 225gn loads. I must be a "glutton" for punishment....give me the ole .303 any day !
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Shamu
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I always wondered if there wasn't some kind of "sweet spot" for saboted loads. Some combination of weight twist & velocity that would overcome the basic limitation.
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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)
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Lee Enfield
Groupie Joined: December 24 2014 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 30 |
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Well Shamu, when the "sabots" arrive I'll be dropping everything else so I can start "working" up a load. I'm hoping they'll be here before the weekend, but I ain't holding me breath (everything I've ordered lately must be getting delivered by a one legged snail on Vallium ). When I get a chance I'll fire up the computer and start working up some "theoreticals", that way I'll have some where to start. I'm sure my mate said something like.... "don't drive'em harder than 4200+fps, they'll just disintegrate as they leave the barrel"....but I reckon he was talking about these 40gn "varmint" projies he uses.
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Shamu
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Keep us posted, this might be interesting.
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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)
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Lee Enfield
Groupie Joined: December 24 2014 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 30 |
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Hi Shamu, found this on the "Reloadingpro.com" website, I know it's for the 30-40 Krag but being the closest thing to .303 it will give me some where to start !... Kit includes 100 Sabots, The sabot seating die, and free reloading data. Reloading data Included* SKU X01-22 Price $23.90 Sale Price $19.95 Qty FREE SHIPPING on All orders of $50 or MORE * Please keep in mind that the data is for reference only * * Caution * case capacity calculations * ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Cartridge case capasity may vary 5-10% between brands. Cartridge Type - ..30-40 Krag Bullet Type - .22/sabot Bullet Weight - 55 Butllet Diameter (IN) - .308 Overall Cartridge Length (IN) - 2.8 Case Length (IN) - 2.304 Full Case Capacity (GR WATER) - 52.2 Bullet Length (IN) - .72 Barrel Length (IN) - 22 Bullet Seating Depth (IN) - .224 Displaced Water (GR) - 4.212 Effeective Water Capasity of Case (GR) - 47.998 Effective Barrel Length (IN) - 19.92 **1fd 1 Cartridge Load Development/** 4-26-93 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Cartridge Data - .30-40 Krag Caliber - .308 Bullet Weight - 55 GR Barrel Length - 19.92 in Case Capasity - 63.283 GR of Water (CALC) Bullet Dianeter - .308 Sectional Dencity - .083 Volume Ratio - 8.7 Cartridge Temperature - 70 Degrees F. Powder Class - FAST POWDERS Powder type - IMR-4198, RX7, S-4197 *Check Manual* Charge/ Bullet Weight - 0.698 Calc. Powdrer Charge - 38.4 GR Load Den - 80% Est. Muzzle Velocity - 3700 FT/SEC Est. Peak Pressure - 38500 PSI Powder Class - Alternate powder class not available. **For starting loads reduce Calc. powder charge by at least 10%** **Alternate load information** 04-23-93 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Cartridge Data - .30-40 Krag Powder type - IMR-4198, RX7, S-4197 *Check Manual* Load Dencity Charge Weight Velocity Pressure % GR FPS PSI 75 36.0 3500 33800 80 38.4 3700 38500 85 40.8 3900 43500 90 42.2 4200 48700* 95 45.6 4400 54300* 100 48.0 4600 60200* * Warning - HIGH PRESSURE - REFERENCE ONLY ! |
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Shamu
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Thanks.
I looked in the latest SGN but didn't see the guy's ad. Maybe the next issue as some do on on one off advertising to save money. |
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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)
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