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    Posted: May 09 2018 at 1:53pm
Last Sunday I went to a local village "brocante" sale. I saw a guy trying to discuss the price on a socket bayonnet that was attached to a broom handle and covered in paint. He was offering 2 Euro's and the owner wanted 3. When his final offer of 2 Euro's 50 cents was refused by the vendor; I immediately stepped in and said I'll have that for 3 Euro's. 5 Seconds later and older gentleman wanted to buy it, he'd been listening also but was a wee bit too slow!
Anyway I came away with a Pattern 1853 Bayonet for an Enfield musket!
I've got the paint off. It's got some rust but it's complete with lock and screw; full length and straight!

Got to be worth 3 Euro's in anyones money; can't understand why someone would not go the extra 50 cents!
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They didn't like the grain pastern in the broom handle?
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I really used to like those, local markets. I've tried explaining them to Mrs Shamu & she just doesn't "get it". She thinks they're like U.S.Flea Markets, which may come with real fleas!

I had my route round Brittany & Normandie partly arranged to coincide with them!
I must be one of just a few who went to Bayeux for the cheese, & Saucissons a l'Ail!

I darn near gave a British Customs officer heart palpitations when he insisted I open the cargo panniers where they'd bee slitting for several days. My step-mother insisted my father & I only eat them in the potting shed!
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I have a few 1853 bayos. Didn't know anyone was hunting fer one
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me too - but they are for my rifles - congrayts on that grab , nice score 
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I wasn't hunting for it; but sort of fell on it. 
Also turned up a nice WWI German field gun case at another local brocante a couple of weeks ago.



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Good finds!
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Nice umbrella stand!Hug
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Zed, an interesting and historic find! Originally issued with the Pattern 1853 Enfield muzzle-loader. Later used with the Snider and finally, after bushing, with the Martini Henry.

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Obviously mine is not as sweet as that one Terry Lee; but it is the same model? 
Pleased that I had guessed right when I saw it. It would be interesting to know how it ended up in France. Need to check out the french military history in our area!
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Zed, the British Pat. 1853 isn't difficult to identify. Overall length = 521mm, blade length = 432mm,  muzzle ring diameter = 20mm and length of socket = 76mm. Of course, the British produced other bayonets of somewhat similar appearance both before and afterwards, but their dimensions will differ.

The French came out with a bayonet which looked rather like a Pat 1853 but it had a four sided blade against the British patterns with three. Other nations also used socket bayonets. Measurements, blade profile and the markings should settle the matter.  Whatever it is, a socket bayonet is always interesting. Good find.   
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love that tape scale , reminded me that back in architectural scool in the early 70s they told us we would soon be using metric , we were told to buy the appropriate tools , even did a project or two in metric , most all bought what we needed - still have mine - never used , maybe y grandchildren will find a use , 

i like the case its a winner , very nice condition too 
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A square, Like you I was brought up on imperial. Since then I have worked with both. Now? Give me metric any day!
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I too was brought up in Imperial..I will admit metric is more precise / accurate..but I still relate in Imperial. (Old dog - new tricks & all that)
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I was brought up with both Metric and Imperial. Measuring tappet clearances with my Dad in thou' on Jag 6 cylinder engines when I was 12. I still have his 0-1" micrometer that we used back then. I treasure it because it's the only thing I got of his. (he passed away in 2014- altzeimers).

Screw threads can get confusing when you don't know what your looking at. On some British cars you could find UNF, whitworth, B.A. and sometimes Metric all on the same vehicle
I still use both; however our younger French technicians struggle; often looking at a 5/16 UNF nut and thinking it's a 8mm. You generally find out after about 3/4's of a turn!
They have no clue about TPI or Pitch etc. A good set of Zeus tables are essential!
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Metric & BA are really close (but no cigar) to each other. You only find out about 1/2 a turn in when the bolt jams solid!
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Here's a photo of the bayonet.


Found a couple of ammo boxes at another local "brocante " on Sunday

They are French and the labels show specification of ammo. Probably for machine gun. 10 x 50 round belts. I suspect that the belts are 10 tracer to 40 standard; but that's just a guess at the moment.
Got the pair for 5 Euro's. That's a good deal.

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