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    Posted: December 20 2016 at 8:42pm
a mkI of 20s version - gunshow find 

 a webley air pistol , an early one with wood grip scales and its all metal - no plastic on this one , has a nice holster that came with it , and lots of patent stamps , this is an early one , started production in 1924 , 

same vendor had one from the 50s with brown plastic grip scales and one from the 60s with black plastic grip scales , both match the production of US & import manufacturers of that era  - im thinking on those , might make an offer just to round out my webley/enfield collection a bit , 

Webley's airgun history began in 1910 when an interesting air pistol, with an in-line spring piston and barrel, was designed and patented by William Whiting, then director of Webley & Scott. At least one working example was constructed, but the gun never went into production. The first production Webley airgun was the Mark I air pistol designed by Douglas Johnstone and John Fearn. It was patented and appeared in 1924 and became an immediate success. Like the Webley & Scott firearms, these pistols were built of interchangeable parts of superior quality and the designs were internationally patented. In these new pistols, placing the barrel over the spring chamber allowed a relatively long barrel in a compact gun. The Mark I was soon followed by a target model, the Mark II Deluxe version. A smaller air pistol, the Junior, was introduced in 1929 to give younger shooters a more economical version. It had a smoothbore barrel for firing reusable darts for economy of use. These young users soon were eager to acquire the more advanced Webley models. Shortly after the Junior air pistol had been launched, Webley & Scott brought out the more powerful Senior air pistol which established a basic pattern for future manufacture. Its improved method for cocking the air chamber piston, plus the use of the stirrup barrel latch, now a Webley hallmark, contributed to the enduring popularity of the design.


now i need one of the webley semi-autos to round things out , i want a 455 , there were also 32s that the police adopted in about 1911 when we adopted our colts for our military , 

so many guns - so little time , why am i even thinking of air guns ?

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Interestingly the design was basically unchanged up through the 1990's!

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yes indeed , that is essentially the piece , im thinking real hard on buying the 50s and the 60s models he has , if only one works ill be happy :<{ 

im not an air gun guy by any means , these days im more a 22cal guy outside of my enfields , but these have caught my eye , 

guess my just over one year old grand daughters are not the only ones to be attracted to "shiny things" - and yes they are - its so fun to watch , but i digress .........

im about ready to pull the proverbial trigger , if i keep thinking this way ill be making a call tomorrow , merry christmas to me , and to all of you , 

so - im given to understand there was the HurricaneNemesisStinger and Tempest air pistols as well as three versions of air rifles , this one is marked as a mark I with a dozen pattent marks for a number of countries , including USA for 7-7-25 and canada 1925 as the latest , so im dating it about then , 

BTW - i will post some photos when i get time 
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Holy cow! This is a whole different avenue of collecting I never realized before!
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I think Hoadie has a Senior?
The early models were the Mk1, Mk2, Junior, Senior & Premiere.
The newer "stretched" versions I recall were the Typhoon, Tempest & Hurricane.
The earlier guns were blued steel, but the later were painted aloy, so to purists the older guns were "better". IMO the old leather pistons were a pain & the newer ones with the synthetic were actually better internally.
I think (I may be wrong) the Stinger & Nemesis were Webly in name only, made in India with the Webly brand name after it was sold?


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so i see i need to post photos sooner than later , sorry - this time of year and all , so many parties and so little time , but mine is a mkI predates that which has been shown - yessss i  get it , ill post the photos , 
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I like that !!! Im looking into a nice little CHEAP breach loading air pistol .. something to shoot darts out of , crossman used to sell one years ago ... just want one to shoot darts at a dart board !!
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Get a smooth-bore for darts.
It will end up with no rifling anyway!
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Originally posted by Shamu Shamu wrote:

Get a smooth-bore for darts.
It will end up with no rifling anyway!
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Yea, thats what I was thinking about .. crossman makes a cheapie that is smooth bore !!!
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WOW! that IS early, it doesn't yet have the stirrup latch for the barrel!
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nope and there are so many patents stenciled on her tube as to be labeled "the painted lady" in some circles , i find her most attractive in a very vintage sort of way , 
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