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Topic: New guy with a odd issue
Posted By: Hailstorm
Subject: New guy with a odd issue
Date Posted: March 17 2012 at 12:17pm
New to the Enfield and I think I messed up. First. I am in the process of making a display of WWII rifles of the foot soldiers of each big player.
The M1 Garand, German Mauser,Mosin,Enfield and Type 99 Jap rifle.
My issue is, I wish to have good models for display. Problem is. The Enfield I purchased has been modified to much and I fear I can't repair the damage done without alot of cost.
 
So, what I wish to know is. What is the best step from here? Sell this one? And just locate one that has not been cut on?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
I have purchased a new front stock set. Then found out that you can't mix MK1 and MK2. I have not shot the gun. Prior owner did say it shot well. Optic mount is interesting. It is a solid gun. Just won't work for what I need.
 
As you can see from what I have built so far. The case will be filled with photos, ammo, bayonets patches and anything else that will fit. Waiting for more wood for the back. Hard to find. Anyway. Any suggestions?



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Posted By: SW28fan
Date Posted: March 17 2012 at 3:08pm
The Enfield and the Arisaka for that matter are beyond restoration.  They make fine hunting rifle but that does not meet the goals of your collection. The  No4 Mk1 and No 1 Mk III are both correct for The Commonwealth and are fairly plentiful. At the typical gunshow there are usually several of each, and it is not uncommon to find a Arisaka.
  Welcome to the forum.


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Posted By: LE Owner
Date Posted: March 17 2012 at 5:36pm
 In order to restore that No.4 you would have to replace the cut down barrel with one that is still full length and has the bayonet lugs and front sight base intact.
Finding good No.4 barrels is not that easy, and finding one that clocks in properly can be frustrating.
 
Restoration is possible, all the other missing parts can be found at reasonable prices, but adding cost of rebarreling its probably not cost effective.
 
On the upside a pre bubba'ed No.4 is a good place to start in building a fine sporting rifle.


Posted By: Hailstorm
Date Posted: March 17 2012 at 11:03pm
Thank you for the info. I suppose I should try to sell what I have a start over with these two rifles. I will do some checking on Bubba'd rifle costs so I can get a value.
This has been a fun project.


Posted By: Cookie Monster
Date Posted: March 18 2012 at 2:36am
Welcome to the forum and good luck on your project


Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: March 18 2012 at 2:07pm
For what you'd spend on parts to restore it - you'd be further ahead takin this one hunting & buy another Enfield
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Posted By: White Rhino
Date Posted: March 18 2012 at 11:01pm
Yea Hoadie is right , Take it hunting and buy another Enfield thats not Bubbaed...
I had 3 barreled actions that out of the 3 ,2 were cut down like that on is .... but out of the 3 only 1 was able to be brought back to full mill spec.. and like Hoadie said it costs !!  of the other 2 , I sporterd one and the other was not worth fixing at all it was junk !!!


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Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: March 19 2012 at 3:11am
".......Yea Hoadie is right , Take it hunting and buy another Enfield thats not Bubbaed....."
 
dittos what they said , but a nice early 40s no1 mkIII* or no4 mkI / I* rifle , the arisaka as well ,


Posted By: Hailstorm
Date Posted: March 19 2012 at 9:06am
Yep, work'in on it.


Posted By: mungo
Date Posted: March 19 2012 at 2:01pm
Great project Hailstorm. I've had a similar idea in the back of my mind for some time now. So far I've been concentrating on my passion for Enfields, but your collection may just be the motivation I need to start looking at the other rifles. Thanks for sharing the pics.
                                                               mungo.


Posted By: Hailstorm
Date Posted: March 21 2012 at 9:26am
OK, I have made a deal on another one. This time the barrel has not been hacked. It appears to have the sights. I will put the new front stock piece on it and buy the two bands that hold the stock together.
Found out the scope on the other enfield is a Weaver K3 60-B. Interesting for such a old scope.
 
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A pic of the one I am picking up.


Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: March 21 2012 at 10:55am
ok - it may be able to be retro'd back , why buy bubba rifles if what you want is military rifles ? just sayin ....


Posted By: Hailstorm
Date Posted: March 24 2012 at 2:18am
If I could find one I would buy it. Locally there doesn't seem to be much choice. That one I had lined up. The seller flaked out and never returned my PM's for his address to meet today. The next one I can find is 3 hours away. I was going to travel an hour for this one already.
 
Why is it people have to chop something up? For what? To make it look sporty? I'm sorry. But all they do in my eyes is destroy the natural beauty of the gun.
 
Sure, I have plenty of guns that don't have any wood on them. But, the wood makes them feel like a living thing. Like holding a piece of history.


Posted By: lil dragon
Date Posted: March 24 2012 at 11:11am
I would never dream of modifying my carbine! It saddens me to see history tampered with...


Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: March 26 2012 at 1:27am
"...the wood makes them feel like a living thing. Like holding a piece of history. ..."    agree with you there ,
 
seems i recall a lot of collectors in michigan , and some great shows , but thats a few years back so may not be so now ,


Posted By: Smokey
Date Posted: March 26 2012 at 6:41am
To be honest, I usually shoot better with the rifles "as issued" afield.


Posted By: John Sukey
Date Posted: March 30 2012 at 3:05pm
Why do people Bubba military rifles?  When you could buy them for very little, every gun magazine INCLUDING the American Rifleman had articles on making "sportin rifles" outta those cheap milsurps.  What I cannot understand is why people today are ready to turn an original military rifle worth several huhdred dollars into one only worth a bit over $125.
Ahm gonna make me a reel valable sportin rifle outten it!  And when they go to sell it, they can't understand that all their "work" has devalued it.


Posted By: sayak
Date Posted: March 30 2012 at 4:54pm
What I don't understand is why people worry so much about what other people do with their guns...

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Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: March 30 2012 at 10:30pm
I guess it depends on viewpoint to an extent.

Firstly we don't know the sporterizing was done recently, it may just be one of the ones done back then when everyone did it. At the time it was a cheap way to get a huntin' rifle, buy a $20 milsurp, cut & bob  to save weight & make handier & you're done.

Plus in a way history didn't suddenly stop in 1945, 1955, or any other time, it just kept on being well, history being made. Today's fashionable POV is to conserve, restore & protect, yesterdays was get & shoot, who knows what'l be fashionably correct tomorrow?

For example the old "Santa Fe" & "Gibbs sporters" are becoming collectable in their own right as are the Indian made rifles, I remember when no-one would touch either with a 10 fot long disinfected bargepole with a rat guard on it! Now they are "part of the history"!

Tomorrows "in thing" might well be Taktikewl rail-loaded Enfield sporters with ATN stocks, lasers & flashlights?Evil Smile


 


 




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Posted By: Target
Date Posted: March 31 2012 at 1:23am
The gunshows here in Michigan kinda suck now. Lots of collectors and quite a bit of everything but most of the stuff on the gunshow tables are ratty and rusty heaps that are nothing more than tomato stakes... yet for some reason they are still worth the full price of what a mint condition example of the same piece goes for... it's ridiculous.

Just a bunch of sharks trying to get something for nothing, It's just one of the things that are wrong with this great hobby now days.


Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: April 02 2012 at 10:23am
problem with a gunshow these days is if you walk in with a pristine $900 correct rifle they all think you need to sell and offer you squat , its insulting - particularly when that same guy will pay the price for the tomato stake and think he got a good deal ,


Posted By: Hailstorm
Date Posted: April 02 2012 at 10:51am
Well, the seller of the one I was supposed to get flaked out. I'm a little mift. So, now I am gonna lay low. I will pounce on the next good one I see.
 
I am still waiting for some more wood to finish the back of my display. I may just go with what I can find. Just making sure I cover the inside in that area with pictures or something. I wanted it to be uniform.
 
Still no luck with the Jap rifle either.
 
But, at least I am involved in trying to save a piece of history. It seems everyday the truth about WWII is fading. But, I will have this piece. It will mean something to me.
 
We are loosing the best generation. I had two Grand Fathers and one Step Grand father who served for WWII. One in the Navy, Air Force as a tail gunner and one who fought on D day. Getting a Bronze star. I never knew about the Bronze star until he died. He never talked about it. They all survived the War.
 
I don't do this just for my Grandfathers, I do it for all of those who served.
 
Sorry for getting so serious.


Posted By: Target
Date Posted: April 02 2012 at 11:04am
Those guys are treating it more like a business than a hobby now days.



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