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Topic: No 4 Mk2
Posted By: Honkytonk
Subject: No 4 Mk2
Date Posted: December 30 2017 at 7:55am
My latest aquisition was a 1947 No 4 M2. Very bright bore. Furniture in great shape. Purchased a walnut cheek rest of eBay from England. (You guessed it, making a sniper clone.) Trying a scope mount I bout from the States. No tapping or drilling. Two piece, so the scope/mounts can be removed. Mount to gun very solid. Scope to mount loosens easily. Tried locktite, no luck. The two retaining screws are made to tighten by fingers. I'm going to try some hex head cap bolts. Any other ideas?



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Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: December 30 2017 at 3:41pm
What brand? Some are way, way better than others.


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Posted By: Honkytonk
Date Posted: December 30 2017 at 6:22pm
FTR Farkezley. (Pardon my spelling. Research looks like it should be a decent rifle. Has the screw for the "modern" independent trigger assembly.


Posted By: Honkytonk
Date Posted: December 31 2017 at 7:49am
I recently picked up an old Winchester pump shotgun. Cut the barrel 4", reamed it to fire steel, put a vent rib on. Was pretty rusty so I sanded it and painted the steel olive drab. Looks cool (to me anyways!) I'm thinking of painting the steel parts (and scope) OD on my sniper clone. Before I get jumped on, I had read that the British did this in WW2 to inhibit rust, so I think it is historically ok. Thoughts?


Posted By: MJ11
Date Posted: December 31 2017 at 10:43am
............Pig..........

Photos would help you get an opinion or several.




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Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: December 31 2017 at 2:31pm
I meant the brand of the scope mount.
There are several & they all attach differently. The Method of attachment is determined by the brand of mount.
To be fair though there are subtle differences in different factories receivers that can be a problem with compatibility.


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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: Honkytonk
Date Posted: December 31 2017 at 3:41pm
Sorry. New to the site and computer illiterate. I got it from Brownells. CAD Technik. Again, my apologies...


Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: January 01 2018 at 5:28am
OK I thought that might be the one.
They are nice, but because they're so tall you'll definitely need that cheek piece. If your rifle is a Faz it should work fine but don't try one on a Savage because the rotational tilt grub screws need the diagonal face to work.


Which is coming loose? the 2 big thumbscrew knobs or the slot heads that attach the rail to the upper casting?



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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: Honkytonk
Date Posted: January 01 2018 at 6:23am
Once I learn how to take pictures, I'll send them. It is the thumbscrew nobs. They are plastic, encasing the bolt. I'm going to try hex cap bolts and locktite. I've already installed a walnut cheekpiece I picked up one eBay, made in England from original factory jigs. The gun can shoot (so far two inch groups @100yd with old reloads I picked up at a gun show) just want a solid scope to gun platform.


Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: January 01 2018 at 5:28pm
".....FTR Farkezley. (Pardon my spelling. Research looks like it should be a decent rifle. Has the screw for the "modern" independent trigger assembly......"

OK , the 'FTR' indicates it went through an arsenal refurb , brought to spec or upgraded , FAZ did both , 

however - 'Has the screw for the "modern" independent trigger assembly' leads me away from the upgrade as the "modern trigger assembly" would be hung from the receiver in a mk2 conversion , the "independent trigger assembly" was the earlier mkI & I* that was part of the trigger guard , 


Posted By: Honkytonk
Date Posted: January 01 2018 at 5:39pm
It is stamped 1947. Again, I'll work on getting some pics.


Posted By: Honkytonk
Date Posted: January 02 2018 at 6:16am
I just started working on this one again. It's not FTR (that was a buddies gun). Mine says No 4 MK 2, 637PF304527. I have a Brownells scope mount on it but I believe under that it says Farkezley 1947. All #'s match (stock, mag, hardware, etc. Sorry for the confusion. Gotta learn how to take and post pics!


Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: January 02 2018 at 8:52am
IIRC the bolts are standard metric threads. What I did was to find a knurled knob bolt of the same spec & machined a couple of flats into the round knurled head. It gave me enough leverage to tighten them thoroughly.

Another fix might be star type lock washers under the heads.


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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: Honkytonk
Date Posted: January 02 2018 at 9:48am
Did it work? Sounds like a good idea. Thought about the lock washers. Will give it a go. Have an old 4x Weaver Micro Trac on it. I would like a straight tube, but ouch!! Pushing $900 all in so far... Thanks for the help!


Posted By: Honkytonk
Date Posted: January 07 2018 at 4:39am
Has anyone every had anything to do with Sun Optics scope mounts? My latest Enfield acquisition comes with one (not installed).


Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: January 07 2018 at 10:52am
The flats on the knurled big nut was a success. It allows you to apply enough torque so the threads bind a little.


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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: Honkytonk
Date Posted: January 08 2018 at 7:17am
Just so I understand about the knurled end. What diameter is the knurled head? Also the flats you are talking about. Does the end result look like you have a flat tire on top and bottom? (Sorry for the weak description!)


Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: January 08 2018 at 7:54am
Its going to depend on how your supplier makes them.
Mine (I don't remember from who)  was about 3/4" diameter & 1/4" thick. I made the flats at 3/8" from center so they were more like a bar with knurled ends.
like this from here. (pardon my rubbish Photoshop quick 'n dirty rendering)!

https://www.berger-tools.co.uk/Hand_Knobs_Star_Knobs_Wing__Knurled_Thumb_Screws__Nuts/Din653_Flat_Knurled_Thumb_Screw_Steel_Blackened/" rel="nofollow - https://www.berger-tools.co.uk/Hand_Knobs_Star_Knobs_Wing__Knurled_Thumb_Screws__Nuts/Din653_Flat_Knurled_Thumb_Screw_Steel_Blackened/


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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: Honkytonk
Date Posted: January 08 2018 at 8:00am
Thanks Shamu. Looks just like my mind envisioned you description!


Posted By: Honkytonk
Date Posted: January 11 2018 at 2:54pm
Shamu. Couldn't source anything in town with the knurled knobs! Went with the head studs (6mm x 1/2"). Tightened down with the metric Allen wrenches and Red locktite. Braved the cold (-30 with the wind) wrapped off a box of 174g FMJ. Not a wobble! Solid like a rock! (Not shooting at targets, steel plates @ 100yds, so group is unknown, only the ringing off the ice cold steel!)


Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: January 11 2018 at 3:24pm
Another way is to use a Dremel to cut a slot in the head of a hex bolt & weld/silver solder/braize a slim, flat rod to give the "wings" you use for torque.
Red LocTite works, but is kinda permanent. That removes a nice feature of the Cad Technic, the ability to whip the scope off it if becomes unusable. (fog, snow, mud, raindrops, condensation & so on)


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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: Honkytonk
Date Posted: January 11 2018 at 3:29pm
That is sage advise. It will be my next project, come warmer weather. We have a old deisel injector mechanic in town that can silversolder anything to anything! Thanks! Never thought of that!


Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: January 11 2018 at 3:46pm
The bolts with the big, flat knurled heads probably won't be found in a local hardware store.
On the intwerweb however, just about everything is available.
Wink


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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: Honkytonk
Date Posted: January 15 2018 at 6:42am
I haven't completely stripped my No4 Mk2 down yet. The screw that I assume holds the trigger assembly in place (the one that is a noticeable addition to No4 Mk1's) how does this come out? I'm assuming it has to before removing the hardware from the furniture. On reassembly, is it hard to line up? Thanks!


Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: January 15 2018 at 8:55am
Its a through bolt with a slotted nut on the other side. You need a slotted screwdriver to stop the nut turning then just unscrew normally.
The "hanger (bracket) for the trigger is cut in a large "U" shape so its not really tight fitting, more of a slight crush fit of the wood to the sides of the bracket. The screw doesn't hold the bracket, that's brazed to the frame (receiver)




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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: Canuck
Date Posted: January 15 2018 at 9:08am
In case anyone here needs that cross bolt/nut, Scott Stonehill manufactures them and does a very good job at it. I ordered a few last year from him.

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Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: January 15 2018 at 9:13am
Scott does nice work, he made me the mount bolts for My PH-5A!Thumbs Up


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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: Honkytonk
Date Posted: January 15 2018 at 9:24am
Stupid question then. Watch is that screw there for?


Posted By: Zed
Date Posted: January 15 2018 at 12:02pm
The screw replaces the metal strap arrangement on the No4Mk1 rifles. Basically it just holds the two sides together to stop them spreading out under recoil conditions.

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Posted By: Honkytonk
Date Posted: January 15 2018 at 12:51pm
Thanks for the help!



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