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A new (to me) pointy bit for the 1914 ShtLE

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Topic: A new (to me) pointy bit for the 1914 ShtLE
Posted By: Shamu
Subject: A new (to me) pointy bit for the 1914 ShtLE
Date Posted: May 09 2018 at 7:23am
Well I dun did it.

Won a Pat 07 Bayonet off e-pay!

I've been looking for one to fit the ShtLE & this looks like a suitable candidate in well used but not beat to heck condition. Sheath leather looks like it needs a little help, but we'll see. My neatsfoot oil (not compound) & a little black shoe polish should work wonders.

Paid US$ 126 shipped so I think I did all right.

Sorry about poor pics will post better when it arrives. These are copied & stitched together from e-pay's page.

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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)



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Posted By: Bear43
Date Posted: May 09 2018 at 8:18am
Looks good there and the price is decent. Once I get my gun room unpacked and settled I have to start looking for some bits like this.


Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: May 09 2018 at 8:31am
I was pleased with the result, I was playing 3 vendors off against each other. They were all asking $140~$150 + shipping & I got it down to $125 shipped so I'm happy.
Can anybody tell me a bit more bout the markings?

I see:
(a very faint) Kings crown
1907
9XXXX17 (X's are blank spaces)
on one side & on the other:
A broad arrow & 3 proofs, or inspectors marks.
No makers mark that I can see though, is that odd?

The sheath has the early "teardrop" frog button, which is nice.



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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: Zed
Date Posted: May 09 2018 at 1:41pm
Shamu, have a close look below the date stamp ; which is the 9   17 (September 1917). I bet you may see a faint "SANDERSON" stamp there. 
The X is the bend/flex test pass stamp I believe. 
Looks like a nice example. 
Here's a photo of my Sanderson 1907. Made in October 1917.

and my Sanderson 1907 made January 1908 and refitted in 1921



Both of these have "teardrop " type scabbards.


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It's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice!


Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: May 09 2018 at 2:37pm
Thanks!
I thought it was a poorly stamped broad arrow, but yes it could be a poor "X" as well.
I'll check & take better pics when it arrives.


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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: May 09 2018 at 8:21pm
yes the "X" is the bending proof , it looks like a nice find - cannot see well enough to ID , i think ZED may be correct , 


Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: May 10 2018 at 6:08am
Interesting, your blade seems blued, mine seems to have had most of the blue removed. I remember reading somewhere the blades were originally blue but were then changed to a brushed satin & finally to smooth, not polished steel.


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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: Zed
Date Posted: May 10 2018 at 11:41am
The refurbished one is blued, the 1917 one is not. I'll try and get some proper photos over the weekend to post.



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It's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice!


Posted By: Zed
Date Posted: May 10 2018 at 12:04pm
Interestingly I've just read an article on these 1907 model bayonets; in which the author states that the blades where left in the white (untreated) steel during wartime production; but were sand blasted to dark grey during refurbishment after WWI. So maybe I need to take a closer look. To be honest i got the refurbed one about 6 years ago, so haven't really studied it lately or compared it properly to the 1917 made one.



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It's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice!


Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: May 10 2018 at 2:16pm
Yes, that sounds like the same reference. I honestly don't remember all the details, but something was blued somewhere by someone!
Wacko
my rifle is a 1914 that was FTR'd in 1944, At least we assume so because the FTR has no date but its a 1944 BBl, so just about anything will be PC/HC!
Big smile


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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: May 10 2018 at 4:44pm
they were in the white till after the war , the refurbs were were treaded differently depending on where done , but in general blued of a sort , some just in the handle area , unlike the WWII era when complete phosphate was typical  


Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: May 11 2018 at 5:37am
Interesting I have a No9 which is black paint (Suncorite again?) with a bare metal blade


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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: Zed
Date Posted: May 11 2018 at 9:27am
I got a pair of No9 bayonets in a job lot last year. One is Suncorite and one is Parkerised.
Not sure who made what. 



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It's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice!


Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: May 11 2018 at 12:40pm
OK I guess the standard wasn't as uniform as we thought!
Embarrassed




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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: Zed
Date Posted: May 14 2018 at 11:23am
Decided to take out both 1907 bayonets and have a proper look. Realised that I'd made an error in my earlier post. The 1917 made one also has a repair date! 1927. See photos. There are quite a few differences in the finish; black handle on the 1921 repair and "white" metal on the 27. Screws wrong way round in one; not sure which is correct. 




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It's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice!


Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: May 14 2018 at 12:52pm
the blade sockets were made in the white again , both of those shown are correct as made , i was refering to the P07s 


Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: May 19 2018 at 5:43am
Sorry for the lack of update, its because nothing has arrived yet!
Angry
Nothing at all, no bayonet, no shipping or tracking info, nothing!

I sent a message via e-pay & got a reply that health issues had prevented shipping.
I guess they also prevented a short note, or depositing the funds as well?
Ouch
Not really thrilled, waiting . . .


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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: hoadie
Date Posted: May 19 2018 at 7:17am
U pays yo money...you takes yo chances!

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Loose wimmen tightened here


Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: May 19 2018 at 8:55am
Yup, it's a crap shewt!
Sick


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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)


Posted By: A square 10
Date Posted: May 19 2018 at 7:36pm
hoping for the best - i think you might be suprised - i keep getting things i forgot i ordered , 

recently my son was at a shoot that somehow went radically wrong , the place burned down - yes they were in it , got out but he lost his gun pack with a couple firearms , ive found a replacement pack - it came last week - thought my wife ordered whatever it was as she gets delivery every day , wasnt till she brought it up to my "room" that i realised that it was for me , the kid , replacement pack , its what he had , hope he likes it - if not i have a use for it , 

i wish you well on it , im not one to speak much on the bad deals - ive not had one yet , but i do appreciate they can happen , 


Posted By: Shamu
Date Posted: May 24 2018 at 2:37pm
This deal is sinking slowly in the West dying a long, slow, lingering, horrible death.
Dead
Still hasn't shipped, now 3 days past the deadline to receive. No comms. Nothing.

E-Pay notified of failure to supply after payment in good faith.
WAHHHHHhhhhh! But I'm WORKING on it!

CC co informed E-pay informed if it hasn't actually, physically, made it to the delivery service by the 30th Its dead!
Cry
Disputing both E-pay & the bank that day at close of business.


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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)



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