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    Posted: May 19 2009 at 11:35am
Finally got the new prototype scope mounts back from the anodizing shop.

They are Picitinny rails and fit low enough to allow use of the original sights.

I made one long and one short version.

If there is sufficient interest I can make more.

These are NOT "No drill - No tap", they use two screws in the receiver and a 3/32" roll pin at the rear through the charger guide.
These will not move around like so many of the ND-NT types do.


Long version.



Short version mounted behind a free-float quad-rail.
This version can be used with the original wood.

More details and pics at my site.
At over $3.00 a gallon for gas, I want it leaded, 100 octane, and my windshield washed!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote VAnimrod Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 19 2009 at 8:12pm
Richard;

That looks good!

Now, a price on your site would do wonders........... Wink
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Richard/SIA Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 20 2009 at 12:14am
That will depend on production cost, which are related to volume.

How strong is the market, do I continue to make these one at a time as needed, or program the CNC to make 100 at a time?
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How much would a couple cost?
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Can they work on a #3 or just your beloved #4's?
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What I have done so far is just for #4.
I suppose I could make some for the #1.
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Well I tell you Richard, they would probably sell reasonably well for the No1's as there is no reall good option for mounts on the No1's.  The weaver mount is crap, and none of the ND/NT aren't very strudy either.
 
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OK, so I mocked up a Picatinny rail mount to fit over the bolt of a #1.

Not too hard, very similar to my #4 mount.

So the real question becomes, is there truly a market for them?
These would NOT be "No drill - No tap".
They would be rigid and allow the fitting of moderns scopes.

I've located a possible source for the raw extrusions, waiting to hear back on my price.
I would still have to machine and anodize them.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote VAnimrod Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 23 2009 at 1:27am
Richard;

On the "long version", does the extension out over the barrel actually touch/mate up to the contour of the barrel?

If so, or if it could be done as so, having just the over-the-barrel portion available (i.e. without the part that goes back over the action to the charger bridge) would be a great option for a D&T, dead rugged scout rail mount.  Perhaps even lower profile than the prototype you have done up, so it's quite low to the bore line and well below the line of sight with the irons.

If so, I'd be quite interested in one of those, and I think one done similarly for the #1s and Ishapores would not be a bad thing either.

Keep us posted, because those look very good and very useful.
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Originally posted by VAnimrod VAnimrod wrote:

Richard;

On the "long version", does the extension out over the barrel actually touch/mate up to the contour of the barrel?

Not on the unit pictured, but I suppose it could.
I'm looking into making my own rail stock, which gives me more options in exactly what I build.
Today I contacted the company making the rail stock I have used in the past, looking to see what sort of price break I can get buying direct and in the white.
Since they are machined from blanks, not extruded, I expect they will still be expensive enough that I will want to make my own.

Quote If so, or if it could be done as so, having just the over-the-barrel portion available (i.e. without the part that goes back over the action to the charger bridge) would be a great option for a D&T, dead rugged scout rail mount.  Perhaps even lower profile than the prototype you have done up, so it's quite low to the bore line and well below the line of sight with the irons.

If so, I'd be quite interested in one of those, and I think one done similarly for the #1s and Ishapores would not be a bad thing either.

Keep us posted, because those look very good and very useful.

D&T? Sorry I'm not always aware of all the acronyms in current use.
Any rail needs to mount on the front of the receiver on one end, it's the only place with enough width for stability.
If I'm understanding you properly, you are looking for long eye relief mount?
What you are asking CAN be done, how many others are looking for the same?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote VAnimrod Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 23 2009 at 12:29pm
D&T = drill & tap.

As for how many others asking the same, I can't know that.

Otherwise, yeah, you pegged it.
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For sure put me down for one of the long rail mounts. Probably one of the short ones, too.
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Oh yeah: For a No1 scout mount, how about drilling/tapping to the receiver ring and attaching the front end to the (already) existing sight base?
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OK guys, I am getting enough rail stock for about twenty units.

Not going to be particularly cheap, at least not in the beginning.
It takes high volume to produce parts cheaply, not likely to ever happen with these niche market Enfield mounts.

I will try to make some for #1, #4, and Scout type.

If people are pleased with them they might want to ask Brownells to carry them.
That's probably the only way volume could reach a mass market point that may lower cost and price.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote sabretech2001 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 12 2009 at 4:23pm
I can hardly wait!!
 
Especially if you can keep the retail price at or under a C-note!
 
Hoo-Hah!! Emily is gonna get a scope mount!!
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Tentatively put me in line for one for the No.4s.
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