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Unfortunately, I have sold out of these mounts, both versions.

I am going to try to do a minor redesign in order to reduce the machine time.
New units might not be quite as pretty in the ejection area, but that curved transition takes a lot of passes.

Also wondering if I should create a hole or open space in the left side wall to push the bolt head over for No. 4 mounts fitted to the Savage guns?

These did sell fairly steadily, but not quickly.
Same design can be done in steel, but would weigh more.

In order to continue making them the volume of sales has to increase significantly, so these are not a high priority right now.
I do hope to make another run in the spring and give them another shot.
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Worked up a new version design, simplified the ejection area to take less machine time.
Requires an additional set-up, but fewer passes and tool changes.
Ejection port will be a fraction larger, not that I ever heard of anyone having an issue with the original design.

Contemplating making the rear mount a 4-40 screw into the charger guide, similar to what is done for the No. 1 mount.
I've done this for a prototype and it worked fine.

Seems it might be simpler than fitting up the wedge mount? 
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Originally posted by Richard/SIA Richard/SIA wrote:

Worked up a new version design, simplified the ejection area to take less machine time.
Requires an additional set-up, but fewer passes and tool changes.
Ejection port will be a fraction larger, not that I ever heard of anyone having an issue with the original design.

Contemplating making the rear mount a 4-40 screw into the charger guide, similar to what is done for the No. 1 mount.
I've done this for a prototype and it worked fine.

Seems it might be simpler than fitting up the wedge mount? 
I have a No4 Mk2 that is currently occupying my attention and once I have that sorted I'm going to return to the No4 Mk1/3 that I bought your scope mount for. The wedge that was supplied with the scope base doesn't touch the inside of the charger bridge at all, so I am planning on loctiting the wedge in place and then tapping a 6-48 screw through the charger bridge to keep it from moving around. I'm pretty sure that will cure the wandering zero I experienced when I initially installed it.
 
Can you easily modify the design/execution? For my purposes, the forward extension does me no good (which is why I cut it off), and the issue rear sight has been replaced with a Williams FP (bubba'd rifle when I got it) so there's about 5/8" free space behind the charger bridge which would greatly help with eye relief.
No4 MkI*, Savage 1943,
FTR (F) 1954 Mk1/3
No4 Mk2 ROF(F) 5/50
No2A1 RFI 1966
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Unusual that the wedge does not fit tight.

But I have run into that before, a small piece of shim stock between the wedge and charger guide should take care of it.

As to adding a screw, I think it would have to be a No. 4 screw, the charger guide on No. 4 actions is pretty narrow.

I can make most any configuration, the issue is to make them on the CNC as manual labor is so slow and expensive.
The standard configuration was intended to allow the original rear sight to remain in place, the forward extension is there to allow fitting new scopes and night vision devices.

If the great consensus is to shorten the mount I can do that, less material required reduces my cost.
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Originally posted by Richard/SIA Richard/SIA wrote:

Unusual that the wedge does not fit tight.

But I have run into that before, a small piece of shim stock between the wedge and charger guide should take care of it.

As to adding a screw, I think it would have to be a No. 4 screw, the charger guide on No. 4 actions is pretty narrow.

I can make most any configuration, the issue is to make them on the CNC as manual labor is so slow and expensive.
The standard configuration was intended to allow the original rear sight to remain in place, the forward extension is there to allow fitting new scopes and night vision devices.

If the great consensus is to shorten the mount I can do that, less material required reduces my cost.
 
The rifle was originally made in 1943 by Savage, so having generous tolerances in the charger bridge doesn't surprise me.
 
I don't disagree about the No. 4 screw. However, I have a whole pile of #6 screws and taps, and that's my story and I'm sticking to it.  Smile
 
I wasn't complaining, I just didn't need the scope mount out that far.
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ONE ONLY, first to email gets it, No. 4 Picatinny rail with an OOPS! cut on the bottom side.
I hate to wast machined parts.

$5.00 to cover postage.

Will still function OK, just not good for retail.

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Richard that mount does it require any defacing of the receiver? or does it use existing holes?
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Two 6-48 tapped holes .400" apart.
Will replace the cheap Weaver mount if the holes were drilled properly.
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Originally posted by Richard/SIA Richard/SIA wrote:

Two 6-48 tapped holes .400" apart.
Will replace the cheap Weaver mount if the holes were drilled properly.
 
Ok Thanks, and what is the finish on the mount?
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Bump and question on No. 4 version.

Finishing up a new batch of Enfield Picatinny scope mounts.
Ejection port area will be a bit larger than before.
I can shorten the front to be flush with the receiver before hard anodizing if you place an order before I send them out next week.

My question pertains to the No. 4 version.
I can do the wedge as before, or I can modify the design to use a third tapped hole into the charger guide as is done for the No. 1 type.
The No. 4 charger guide is narrower than the No. 1, it appears to me that a #4 screw will be required.
#4-48 is best but the tap may not be readily available inexpensively.
#4-40 is easy to get and inexpensive but a bit coarser thread than I would prefer.
I've done a couple using the third tapped hole and it was fine.
From my end it would be nice to skip the finicky to make wedge piece.

Which would be the preference of you, the buyers?
I have to decide this ASAP.

Either way these should be done just before Christmas, so delivery in early January.
$85.00 ea. includes shipping in the continental U.S.

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Completed a fairly large run of No 4/5 and No. 1/2A mounts.
In stock and ready to ship, $85.00 each for either type.

The ejection port side is reshaped to give very generous ejection clearance.
I also added an opening to the No. 4 left side rear so that the bolt head can be pushed over easily for Savage and Long Branch actions.

No. 4 still uses the rear wedge as I am concerned that taps will be broken doing a #4-40 third hole.
If the fit is tight the wedge can be carefully filed down at the 5ยบ angle side, it it's loose a bit of shim stock will fill the gap.

I've installed several of the new mounts to customer guns and the wedge is correct for 95% of them.
The trick is to ensure the mount is hard against the charger guide before drilling the two forward 6-48 holes.
When perfectly fit the wedge should stay in place if the screw is backed off, with just a little gap between the top of the wedge and the bottom of the mount.
I need to make an install diagram.

The No. 1/2A mount is dead simple, drill and tap three 6-48 holes.
If the rear charger guide is not level you may need to file it flat or add a shim.
Most are fine as is.

Pics of the latest versions mounted on recent builds.

No. 4/5 type clears the original ladder sight.
Also made to clear original wood and long enough to accommodate modern optics.


A bullet tip or tool may be used to push the bolt head over on Savage or Long Branch actions.






$85.00 includes USPS shipping to CONUS.
Screws are included.
Cheque or money order is fine, can do Pay-Pal with paid fee if you insist.

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I will by a scope mount from you ! for a lot more than you are asking for it . it is worth it
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Just finishing a (Final?) fairly large run of Enfield Picatinny scope rails.
No. 1 / 2A type are out to anodize and will be ready to ship Thursday.
Still $85.00 each including shipping.

No. 4/5 type will be complete the following Thursday.
Now $95.00 each as they do take a bit more time than the No. 1 type.

Unless I can begin turning these over more quickly this will be my last production for them.

sia@pyramid.net to place an order or reservation.
Check, MO by mail, or credit card over the phone.
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richard , these are superb looking mounts , your work is terrific 
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At least a few members here have used them.
Only mount I know of that allows you to retain and still use the original sights.

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