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    Posted: December 06 2016 at 9:33pm
so many have forgotten it these last years , 

i never do , i was reminded growing up just what this day meant and cost , it is the day in 1941 when my father and his best friend , my namesake "john" drove back from california , in a snowstorm ,  from their aircraft industry jobs , after high school , to enlist , 

john went into the army and was overseas in a few months , he came back and i actually knew him although he died young when i was preteens , 

my father went army air corp - took a few years of training but ended up in a B29 bomber crew - tail number A square 10 [imagine that] left gunner , because the midwesterners were wing shooters - upland birds , could hit the target in a moving pickup truck while it was being towed by an aircraft , with a 12ga shotgun , 
posted on saipan , right next to tinnian where both Abombs left from , i grew up knowing that , it was a good thing in my home - my father came home and i exist because of those events , i will never apologize , the PTSD was not always a factor back then , 

we also recognized the two august dates in my home as the end of the war , ive not said much but those were days when we actually believed the world was a better place for it , ive not forgotten , 

today its a big event that the japanese head of government is making the first visit to pearl harbor in 75 years since it occurred , and its a big deal that BO was the first president to visit the commemorative of the bombing of nagasaki , im offended that neither have recognized these events prior to this yet understand the significance of "official" recognition , im also offendeed that BO selected this time to put this on the political map in the way he did - we owe no apology , ending that war was foremost and utmost for everyone , 

starting that war was a gross miscalculation on the part of the japanese - we owe no apology for that either  , 

i am one who would have wished for far different , no attack and no retaliations , but that is not history , IT WAS WHAT IT WAS , and is what it is , today[tomorrow] we remember , at least those of us that recall , 

the ENOLA GAY got fitted for the trip - it could have been any of those that were based there , it might have been any crew , history set the stage and we dealt the blow much as they did on december 7th , we cannot forget and i will not forget tomorrow , 

my family used to meet at the am-vets club [up here its VFW and 'legions' ] for dinner on this evening and there were conversations that the children were not included in ,  the discussions were sometimes tense , but i recall them as always civil , 

i am a babyboomer - born after the war - but the war was never far from our lives even when things were good , and i will admit [in hind sight] things were good , im only now realizing just how good my youth was - even tho my fathers been dead over 16 years now , 
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All the important dates and events of both world wars should be taught in school in my opinion. But without too much political bias; just the explanation of the reasons and the need for action.

There is a need for the younger generations to understand that the freedom we enjoy today; was at the cost and sacrifice of many! And that the world is definitely a better places thanks to those who stepped up to the mark.

The people who try and disrupt that freedom (such as happened in France recently); do not understand that their freedom to worship is a direct result of the sacrifice of millions of ordinary folk who answered the call.
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..Right Zed! As an old German WWII vet told me, "Its a good thing we lost the war..otherwise, everyone would be in uniform & no individual thinking would be tolerated."
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Flag flies at half mast today.
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1/2 staff?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Tony Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 07 2016 at 8:08am
Originally posted by hoadie hoadie wrote:

..Right Zed! As an old German WWII vet told me, "Its a good thing we lost the war..otherwise, everyone would be in uniform & no individual thinking would be tolerated."


I'm thinking of bringing that in on here,
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Originally posted by hoadie hoadie wrote:

1/2 staff?

Same thing.
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I shall always remember.

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Means a lot to me, since My Dad fought in the south pacific and ended up in Japan for the occupation after ....
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