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kschick
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Posted: May 20 2012 at 9:35am |
Just picked this up and had some questions.
Australia on handle. Magrovite Australian maker on sheath. 42 = 1942 sheath construction? Sanderson = Sanderson Bros & Neubold - English maker, not Lithgow on Austrailian bayonet? Where these imported? Date codes I think 10 = october 17=1917. 1207 Likely 1907? What does the v4 and e under the crown mean? Arrow - Government acceptance British mark on Austrailian bayonet? Marks to either side of the x? Department of Defense Australian mark. |
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you have interpreted correctly on all points , the V4 is inspector mark i believe - but im not into the minutia as much as some others who may wish to correct me ,
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John Sukey
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To start with, Australia wasn't making bayonets back then.
Scabbards were a seperate item of issue so the late date is not out of line.
A bayonet could have more than one scabbard over its life span.
Now comes the real fun, that's a Canadian property mark on the pommel!
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hoadie
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If it is...its BACKWARDS
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Lost Kangaroo
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Im taking a stab, pun intended, that the V under the crown is for King George V...and what follows it looks more like an armorers mark than the number 4.
The broad arrow looks a little "primitive"....I need to go back and take a look at a couple I have to compare...The arrow you call the government acceptance mark is on all of our gear....not just English...all the Commonwealth use/d the broad arrow. Not at all unusual for Aussie kit to get sent down from the Mother country......you can find Sanderson and Wilkinson 1907 bayonets with Aussie wood and scabbards. |
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hoadie
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After closer examination-methinks that IS NOT a Canadian stamp at all.
The broad arrow is improperly formed.(As is the "C"-if thats actually what it is.) Hoadie |
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Sarge
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he!!o Gentlemen. Just to clarify :- A = War Department Acceptance = Crows Foot. (In the case, only a partial stamping. However, this is common). B = Individual Inspectors Stampings during the production process. C = Bend Test Mark (Once again only partial. Also... quite common)
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Sarge
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As to the pommel stamping (now seen the correct way up). There are two countries which initially used very similar stampings = Canada and Australia. This is the earlier Australian stamping for the 'Department of Defence' = an arrow within a capital letter 'D'.. the arrow point being uppermost. Due to the confusing sililarity to Canada's marking, Australia changed to:- D/arrow/D.
I hope this has helped clear up any comfusion?
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interesting , learning something new each day is a goal , ive succeeded early today
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Sarge
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Asquare10...No matter our level of - Expertise - we are all on a learning curve... if we were all honest with ourselves.
Above is a camparison of the major 'WD' stampings. I think you can now see the reason as to why Australia decided to change to the one illustrated.
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agreed , its fun to get some new bits of info , and im now inspired to pull some of my pieces back out and rellok to see if i have an example of that early austrailian mark , i know i have examples of the DarrowD
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Sarge
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Asquare10...
Oblige us all by posting a pic or two if you do have an example.. early marked!
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i will if i do , its a new thing for me so im not even sure where to start looking ,
OH , and its not such a huge thing on this site as we have download/post ability here , but photobucket and i had a falling out so most every photo i had posted over the past decade are now gone , i may actually need to reload photos to my computer or take new ones ,
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I keep all mine on several Flashdrives, then use the system which comes with the PC. In my case = Paint.
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