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    Posted: March 23 2018 at 7:25pm
Hi guys, new guy here. I just picked up a No4 Mk1at an estate sale in a local gun shop. The words “Longbranch” and “1944” are clearly marked on the receiver. The serial number also has an L in it, indicating Longbranch manufacture. However, the word “Longbranch” seems to have been marked off, and the word “England” appears on the band? I’m confused, anyone have any clues? Why the word England when everything indicates Longbranch.

Also, the magazine is stuck, like, SUPER stuck, any clues?
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Post some pictures of it please.
The England stamp is a pre 1968 import stamp, pretty typical. Not much else to go on until we here can see what you're referring to.
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Welcome from Manitoba! As far as the stuck mag, try opening the bolt. Spray some wd40 or similar lubricant onto the edges of the mag. Then turn the rifle over and spray the edges of the magazine where it fits into the metal frame. Don't forget to spray the lever that releases the mag inside the trigger guard. Gently tap the mag with a rubber hammer or your hand. Might just have a build up of dirt and oil and rust. Let us know if it works.
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Thanks for the replies, folks! I tried the penetrating oil with the mag, as well as unscrewing the screw in front of the mag well, nothing yet, I’ll keep trying.

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There you can see the word Longbranch is crossed out, but the matching serial numbers all have an L.



Here is the bottoms of the magazine. You can see a serial number has been crossed out and it seems a new one applied. However, and you can’t see this in the picture, th one that was crossed out is the same as the other one.
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The import stamp was the country of origin (of the design) not of manufacture.
This is going to sound crazy, but try it anyway.
It looks like you magazine is in crooked, with the back being lower than the front & the magazine rotated forwards a bit. See the odd gap between the front of the trigger guard & the back of the magazine?
Take a look at it from the side & compare to this:

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If it is lower at the back open the bolt fully then give the mag bottom a firm slap with the palm of your hand.
Now press the mag catch firmly all the way in & try pulling it vertically down.
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The L8 series No. 4 rifles converted to 7.62 had the original reciever markings cancelled out. Were there any other models that did this?
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Oh man, it could be in .308? I’m going to need to take it to a gunsmith and have the chamber checked now, aren’t I...
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The import marking is the originating country of export into the USA, not the design origin..

It is common to see re-imported Savage, Longbranch and Ross rifles marked ENGLAND. 


 

Sometimes with a stuck mag (eg. No.4 mag wedged into a No.1), it is necessary to remove the trigger guard to budge it.

Don't use force, it is hung up on something. As Shamu mentioned, it might be jammed because it is cock eyed front to back and has become wedged.
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Its a real easy check to see if its been converted.
Look for the caliber stamp on the breech area.
Failing that slide (by hand, not the bolt) a .303 round into the breech with the bolt back. If its been converted it'll stick with about 1/2 of case still sticking out of the breech end!

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*update*
I tried cycling some ammo last night. Something is definitely off in the magazine, only about every other round will load without issue. No problem extracting.

I attempted hammering the magazine out, to no avail. I used a gunsmithing hammer and a plastic punch. I’m afraid to use one of the brass punches because it could damage the magazine, or would it be safe?
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HOW exactly were you trying to hammer it & where exactly?

If its (as I believe) rotated forward & you're hammering down on the rear you're actually jamming it in tighter!
Please try this, as suggested earlier.         

Open the bolt fully.
Press firmly IN on the bottom/rear of the magazine.

It should move slightly & there may be an audible *CLICK* & the magazine catch should jump down slightly. You may notice the rear face of the magazine come to touch the front of the trigger guard.
Now press & hold the magazine catch & firmly PULL down vertically on the magazine body.
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Wow, my head is elsewher today. Shamu covered it nicely.
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i think it is the import stamping , if i missed something here it is because ive been three days oin 5 hours sleep-each and i need lots more , 
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I was hammering on the sides, both sides.
I’ll give what you said to do a go and report back.
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Originally posted by TacticalLumberjack TacticalLumberjack wrote:

Oh man, it could be in .308? I’m going to need to take it to a gunsmith and have the chamber checked now, aren’t I...

I don't think your rifle is in 7.62 /.308, but the markings would indicate some conversion work has been done.

The crossing out of "Long Branch" was common when rifles were overhauled at ROF Fazakerley post WW2. 

Above the crossed out "Long Branch" I can see Fazakerley FTR markings. I think that your rifle has been converted to the hung trigger variant, and so would have been re-marked as either a Mk 1/2 or Mk 1/3.
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