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    Posted: Yesterday at 5:31pm
Hmm...time to measure...
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I tend to look at this like Goosic. In that you don't have to push the cartridge to get excellent results.

But I go a little farther and say that you don't have to push ANY cartridge to get acceptable results.

I love people talking about Obsolete cartridges like they don't shoot bullets out anymore.

This cartridge is just as effective now as it was 100 years ago, and it is completely up to taking any game animal in N/A and especially with 215 Woodleighs. If I ever got to go Caribou Hunting in Northern Canada I would be taking my Enfield with that bullet.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Goosic Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 11 2018 at 6:45am
Exactly HT.
Everyone has their own preference when it comes to reloads and reloading. I will always err on the caution side. I want to have fun when I'm out shooting. I don't want to come home in a bodybag because I decided I wanted to try to squeeze an extra 50 fps out of my,"Tack driving,lumbering,sometimes fly's sideways,.303 round?" The load data I supplied with the IMR4064 powder came directly out of a NORMA reloading manual and I have used that same book for damn near 35 years now. Still alive to tell you this. Let's be extremely honest hear now. The original design was to create a round that was effective at killing stuff. It was never intended to be a target round or bench rest sub MOA round. The .303 Epps and the .303 Ackley Improved? Still not too much going on for it there, ballistically speaking. You want a flat trajectory round with some speed behind it? .220 Swift,.243 Winchester,.264 Winchester Mag,. 300 Win Mag,.30-416,.338 Lapua.
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I'm very cautious when it comes to reloading. The first thing I realize is that it is a .303. Designed for a specific purpose during a specific time. It is a very proficient round for the taking of most game, in fact all big game in North America. Are the better rounds out there? Of course. I choose the .303. In my experience, when loaded to safe zones (in regards to powder, for my rifles, usually about 70-80% max) I find good performance at the range and in the field. Just my humble opinion... but please reload safe!
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Originally posted by pete-4d pete-4d wrote:

Scott ,ran across this a few years back , haven't tried any of 215-gr woodleigh ,but I shoot the 174-gr protected point ,  different powder charges ,,,,,,, pete


After reading this individuals near max load data,I have a simple question,why? He's attempting to put a jet pack on a bumblebee. Even with the minimum amount used in my data chart,that bullet is going to be moving at almost a half a mile a second with close to three quarters of a ton of kenetic energy when it hits you from 200 yards away. The minimum charge with IMR 4064 should be 35.0 grains. That'll give you near 2000 fps. An increase of three grains,38.0 puts the fps at close to 2200. After that and anymore powder used is waste. To understand this concept take one bullet loaded over 37.0 grains of IMR 4064 and one bullet loaded over a fully packed cartridge case of black powder. The ballistics will be close to identical. At 100 yards that 215 grain bullet is going to hit it's intended target with the same force as a Volkswagen beetle hitting a wall at 55 mph. There is no,"Golden Zone" with that fat little bullet. Stick to the basics and leave it alone. Fun fact: The .303 British rifle round has killed more dangerous big game then any other rifle round before or after it's original design, including wildcat loads...
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When I loaded my 215's, I ended up with an overall length of 2.97". That length seems to feed and shoot well for my rifle.
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Just wondering if I cover up more of the 215 with the neck of casing to make it same length as the 174 shown here will be ok...enough room for powder not withstanding...
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Norma # 202 is brilliant in the L-E Goosic!
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Scott ,ran across this a few years back , haven't tried any of 215-gr woodleigh ,but I shoot the 174-gr protected point ,  different powder charges ,,,,,,, pete

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My personal favorite rounds right here...
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If you want to try this load,find some Norma powder. This one will knock a Cape Buffalo on hits butt...
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This is my load chart. Feel free to copy it.
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he!!o and thank you for the replies....seems about 37gr will be the sweet spot but will find out...love the old rifle so will be cautious...my interests are two-fold...bear protection and possible bison hunting...appreciate the quick response...first time posted to Yukon since living here as a child in the 70's...God's country.
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Canuck, I've got pretty long arms and the No5 Battle Carbine is really light and has a pretty short stock so I have to hunker in close. I won't lie, it's a handful, but manageable! I'm also left handed. One of the eight shots I took my big thumb knuckle caught me on the nose, but all and all, it was awesome! Would not want to be on the receiving end of that chunk of lead!
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This from an old Lyman manual;
 
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