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I used to button my pants & jacket together by times.(Usually just for parade/inspection)Bit cumbersome if your in a hurry to answere nature's call!
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It worked pretty well for me at least. It was a bit like wearing coveralls, but without all the weight on the shoulders as the trousers were fitted to the waist & the buttons were mainly for keeping the jacket from riding up.
Wool was warm, a good thing if you're up in the Preseli Mountains in February, but for the warmer climates it would be a bit too much. Summer in the U.K. was "shirtsleeve order" where the shirt was used with the sleeves rolled up, & no jacket.

There was a separate "trop" uniform for the hotter climes with the infamous baggy shorts & knee length socks.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Aifwikir Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 04 2012 at 9:03am
  It prolly kept Shamu from loosing his pants while walking down town.  LOLLOLLOL  
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I miss my sofa!
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Originally posted by Shamu Shamu wrote:

I miss my sofa!


 Oh no not another armchair warrior!!!Evil Smile
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Armchair warrior, hell no.
(They couldn't get me UP into an armchair once I got settled in.)Evil Smile
Even if id did have a built-in rocket motor.
My old "office" in the pointy end of a PR-7.


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PR-7 !?? Wasn't that a CANBERRA? Are they still flying them? Aren't they like older than dirt??(I thought only CANADA used relics for the military)
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Yup PR-7 Canberra's.


We upgraded to PR9s later, but the MOD (air) kept dropping the ball with the replacement. The cockpit really is off center to the left, that was no accident.

This is a model, for some reason it's very hard to find a pic of a PR-9 with the glazed nose. The bomber versions went solid because they (finally) got the radar bomb-sight (Yellow Parrot?) working.



Remember TSR-2 that died horribly before it went into production, then the "MRCA" (Became the Panavia Tornado) which we all said stood for "Must Refurbish Canberras Again". TSR-2 would have had about the same performance envelope as an F-15 eagle, but in the 1960's!

When I first did a pre-flight walk round on the first PR-7 the date on the manufacturers plate was before I was born by 1 month! They were in service in various marks for 57 years.
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WOW! They been in service ALMOST as long as the Yank's B-52's!(Somewhere -I had/have a photo of a grandfather, father & son.They are standing in front of a B-52...that ALL THREE had piloted!!)
I've never seen a Canberra in anything but film & photos.
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something to be said for longevity ..........hope i outlive those buggers
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Canada still flies C-130's out of Trenton,. that are 1970's vintage
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I have been seeing some old vintage planes flying over my place ....  been quite a few lately , I am just not up to par with my air craft ID skills .....
I do know the Cessna is a pipeline plane ....says so on the wings !!!
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All sorts of good info & pics here:
http://www.bywat.co.uk/canframes.html

One of the oddball things about Canberras was the engine start method.

They were designed for unprepared field operations, thus the big low-pressure tires & so on, so there was no need for a "trolley Acc" (External battery cart) to start. Instead there was a kind of 5-shot revolver using cordite (what else, it was, after all British) powered solid fuel rocket to spin up the turbines. This produce huge clouds of thick smoke smelling strongly of cordite *sniff, sniff*! Now this is no problem when you enter thru a small door & close it behind you, However....

If you re-design the nose for a more modern in-line cockpit & spool up before closing the canopy (Like Martin did with the U.S. B-57) then you better like the smell of cordite in the morning!Dead
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Methinks the Phantom of Viet Nam vintage had the same/similar starting.
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I don't know, but the USAF never stopped complaining about the thick smoke on start-up.
I've seen Brit F4's (Fleet Air Arm F4E IIRC)?start-up & don't remember smoke, maybe they had a dual system with either compressed air or cartridge?

Smart crew in this one, they closed the canopy first! I love the look on the guy next to the engine in that aircraft in the foreground. "Is it in fire or what?"

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Originally posted by hoadie hoadie wrote:

From the ones I've had on I wud hafta say no.(course they weren't xactly "tailored fits").But with the undershirt the Canucks were issued-it seemed to do OK.The old boys did tell me tho-that whenever they were in the vicinity of the Brits-they ALWAYS seemed to wanna have a parade & inspection.The ONLY way to clean they're battle dress was to use petrol..well that became a problem-especially with the tankers.(Brits & they're pomp-go figger).
Course-when ya got good & wet,ya tended to smell like my husky!
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Gasoline was about the only way to get rid of body lice that infested uniforms, soap and water alone could not get rid of the eggs, which were lodged tightly in seams and hemns. A WW1 source mentioned ground crew being punished for purloning aviation fuel to clean their clothing.
 
During the U S Civil War soldiers would hold their clothing close to a campfire to kill the lice and their eggs with radiant heat. They paid especial attention to the seams where the lice hid and laid eggs.
 
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The U S Airforce also used the Canberra, I think under the designation B-57. These were license built by Martin aircraft co. A fine and versatile aircraft in its day.
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