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    Posted: March 27 2015 at 1:34am
I put my hand on this rare Vickers P1907 bayonet. When production of the P1907 ended, less than 10,000 Vickers P1907 bayonets had been produced (from july 1917 to january 1919), making the Vickers bayonet the scarcest of the P1907 bayonets. 

Unfortunately not in a mint shape, it has been made in november 1918.
The bayo is unit stamped on both sides of the pommel.
On one side  : RAF above 1 above 2279
On the other side : S.D 2C and a head-to-head arrows.
I think that the head-to-head arrow is the symbol of the definitive reform of a british weapon.







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The 'head-to-head' arrow as you put it, is in fact the official 'Sold out of service' (not required any further for military inventory, so sold off) stamping = two WD (War Department) symbols point to point. 
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nice , you do indeed have one of the scarcer versions , i rather like its condition for  my type of collecting , prefer the "been there -done that" to the pristine , just my leaning 

 ive not yet found a vickers but have not been actively looking really , i have actively looked for the vickers P13s tho , not found one of those either - YET
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Here are my 'Vickers' 1907's.....
 
 
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Wow... 6 Vickers P1907 bayonets side by side. 
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Better still...look at the condition they are in!
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beautiful sarge , always enjoy seeing what you have , very nice examples 
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Very nice.
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Nice bayonets, Sarge! I only have two Vickers, 12.1917 and 12.1918. However, you may find some other markings from my collection of interest. 











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I've been collecting the '07' now since I was 16....  so that's.....  yes, enough said about that! Ermm
 
In reference the Wilkinson stamping. For WW1, running concurrent were:-
1) Wilkinson
2) Wilkinson Pall Mall
 
In WW2, the Wilkinson stamping was changed to:- WSC S294.
 
What do you know about the Remington '07's, and how many have you?
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Have two Remington 1907s, 10.'15 and 11.'15.  Not so common as Wilkinsons and Sandersons in South Africa, but by no means rare. 
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Here are my Remington '07's...
 
 
 
These are from my collection here in England, as I do have a another in California. There are five more 'Vickers', and a further four 'Remington'.
 
Here is an interesting point about the rarity of the 'Vickers' in comparison to that of the 'Remington'. Throughout my collecting history of the '07', I've noticed several contradictions to the mainstream of thought. Bearing in mind that no two collectors will search within the exact circles as another... I have found that the reverse of rarity of Remington occurs in place of the Vickers. Albeit that Vickers had a total production of approx. '10,000', as opposed to the ten-fold of approx '100,000' of the Remington over a similar time period. Although produced from March to December of 1915, certain points can be remembered, although they do not have a bearing upon the actual rarity of the item. The total production count being one of those points.
 
What collectors tend to forget, or ignore, is one simple fact = the year of manufacture = 1915 -vs- 1917/18. The Remington '07' was in service nearly two years prior to the introduction of production of the Vickers item. It is reasonable to calculate that due to the late arrival into service of the Vickers '07', not many of the 10,000 would have seen frontline service during 'The Great War'. Where as, many of the Remington '07's may still be with their users... sleeping in the fields of Flanders.  
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RIP my Brothers.
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Sarge, a very nice selection of bayonets and good photos. Numerically, I am unable to compete! We obviously have different priorities, with mine being the rifles for which my bayonets are regarded as  interesting accessories. I thus restrict the numbers of what I consider to be "duplicates" relating to any particular bayonet maker or variation.

In South Africa, very strangely, it is the locally manufactured '07 bayonets which are the rarest of all makes. Rumour has it that some of these were exported to the UK during the 1980s.  Have you managed to get hold of any?  
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Originally posted by terrylee terrylee wrote:

In South Africa, very strangely, it is the locally manufactured '07 bayonets which are the rarest of all makes. Rumour has it that some of these were exported to the UK during the 1980s.  Have you managed to get hold of any?  
 
I have never seen any in all my years of collecting.
 
Originally, I started out to obtain one '07' (no matter the maker) for every month of The Great War, which was nearly achieved after a number of years, but was becoming rather expensive. Somewhere down the line I slanted off to try for every maker for each month of certain battles.... then for certain years.... ending up specialising in certain makers.
 
All through the collecting period, even now, one picks up various theories of this and that. Some are long debunked, others still unproven, with still more being new ideas from differing points of view. How to tell such and such, this is rare, that's not, etc. Yet again, no two collectors walking in the exact same circles as the other. For me...  the rarest '07' I have in my collection is an 'RFI - 1916' (actually the first '07' I ever purchased). Have only seen about '20' WW1 RFI's since then. Far less than even 'Mole'. I've married my 'RFI' up with the rarest (in my opinion) of the 'Peddled Scheme' SMLE's.... the 'SSA-1916'.... recently purchased after many years of searching.
 
 
Interestingly, the 'RFI' has refurb stamps for 1928 and 1932.
 
 
 
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