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    Posted: April 20 2021 at 2:31pm
I just inherited a SxS 12ga.
It has Wm. Moore&Co. stamped on both hammer locks. It was a 30" double barrel but it looked like the inside of a well fed sewer line from the muzzle back to about 5 inches inwards. It got the barrel bob to 24 inches and just to be safe, I made a custom front bead sight out of a rear trigger guard screw from my spare Enfield parts bin. 
Question.  Has anyone seen or heard of a Wm. Moore&Co double hammer SxS shotgun? What very little i could find had this dated between 1874 and 1889 and a current retail figure of a whopping $95.00.
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sweet! looks like it belongs riding on a stagecoach, get some brass hulls and load em with black powder
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Double check the barrel isn't Damascus.
Looks like a great find though.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote A square 10 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 20 2021 at 8:23pm
never heard of them myself but very interesting shotgun - black powder did the bore damage due to not properly cleaning , and if its that old i would question its integrity with modern smokeless loads other that very low preasure reloads and i would even question those - is it damascas ? 
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Originally posted by Shamu Shamu wrote:

Double check the barrel isn't Damascus.
Looks like a great find though.
To answer both you and A Square.  No, the barrels are "Cast Steel" as stamped on the barrel rib. The section of barrels i removed were damaged from improper storage. The only real corrective issue i faced was finding replacement springs for the firing pins which Interestingly enough can be found inside a BIC inkpen...
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Can we see the proofs, Goosic?
 
They are on the action flats, and barrel flats.
I ask, as William Moore was quite a well known English firm, but the name and others was also used by Belgian makers.
 
As a matter of fact, Good quality Damascus is as strong as any other barrel.  In destruction  tests carried out by WW Greener, the top two or three that stood the highest pressure, were three stripe and two stripe Damascus, followed by Whitworth Fluid steel.
 
Good quality being the key point!
 
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When I chopped some barrels on a boxlock for someone,   (20 " if I remember right)  I made a ramped foresight, as it shot Very high!
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It certainly looks like a fun little shotgun.
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Originally posted by Pukka Bundook Pukka Bundook wrote:

Can we see the proofs, Goosic?
 
They are on the action flats, and barrel flats.
I ask, as William Moore was quite a well known English firm, but the name and others was also used by Belgian makers.
 
As a matter of fact, Good quality Damascus is as strong as any other barrel.  In destruction  tests carried out by WW Greener, the top two or three that stood the highest pressure, were three stripe and two stripe Damascus, followed by Whitworth Fluid steel.
 
Good quality being the key point!
 
Again Goosic,
When I chopped some barrels on a boxlock for someone,   (20 " if I remember right)  I made a ramped foresight, as it shot Very high!
These are the only "Proof Marks" I found on the whole of the shotgun. There is 8746 and 8747 on the underside rib spaced 6" apart from each other but I assume it was for barrel mating purposes.I will also make an assumption here based off of the almost non existence of any markings that this could be the Belgium made clone?
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Belgian proof marks.
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Darn it all to heck!
I was hoping I would be the next gazillionaire to emerge from an episode of Antiques Road Show.LOL

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I have one more SxS to examine.  This one has the words Holte on both sides and is a BP version with Damascus barrels 
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Yes, as Stanforth says, Belgian.
You see a lot of Mantons and Westley Richards, that are Belgian too....
 
Look forward to the photos of the other one, my friend.
 
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