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they already have it - its the government and do not believe that BS that they dont keep records or preserve a data base , they cant trace anything between departments - they never use the IRS as a weapon , why do you think they built this big government ? 

only thing they cant trace are illegal immigrants and criminals ................


CMP is not a government agency.
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I have purchased two of these rifles in the past year. Both were slightly less than 1500 (1250 and 1450). I am personally not sure where everyone gets their unmolested Enfields for $400 unless they're from Classic Firearms and effectively wall hangers. That said, I do have 3 less than pristine No4 Mk2s which I paid anywhere from 450 (Bubba holes drilled in receiver) to 750. They all look to have seen service, but are solid rifles with no rust and plenty of barrel life.

I live in Oklahoma, so Enfields arent the most popular, but I personally wouldnt pay more than $1300 just because you can get about the same quality of rifle for $1000 that just has a few dings here and there. Ultimately, I think i could've saved money estate sale hunting or just hunting for deals, but that's just me
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Originally posted by devrep devrep wrote:

Originally posted by A square 10 A square 10 wrote:

they already have it - its the government and do not believe that BS that they dont keep records or preserve a data base , they cant trace anything between departments - they never use the IRS as a weapon , why do you think they built this big government ? 

only thing they cant trace are illegal immigrants and criminals ................


CMP is not a government agency.

true that , im just sayin dont fret giving them what you are providing to get what you want , its not gonna make a difference in the end , 
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Originally posted by devrep devrep wrote:

there is a gorgeous unfired No4 about 45 minutes from my house.  if I didn't already have one I would be sorely tempted.  price is 1499.00 though which is a lot.  also found a 1944 Garand with great barrel readings 1 muzzle and 2 throat) and nice service wood about an hour away for 1200.00.  which is more tempting?
I know the rifle you are describing.  The problem with the owner claiming that it has NEVER been fired is that, it was fired originally from the factory. No ifs ands or buts about that. The other item of contention is that the photos he has of it show an aftermarket non typical sling attached to it making it in essence a used rifle now. That and he removed the mummy wrap and cleaned it effectively letting it be exposed to the elements. The biggest issue is that you will never know with any amount if certainty if he has fired it. Obviously a very nice specimen but not worth the price of admission.  Also, when something like this shows up on the market, Buy the rifle not the story...
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Originally posted by Logan.Lacher Logan.Lacher wrote:

I have purchased two of these rifles in the past year. Both were slightly less than 1500 (1250 and 1450). I am personally not sure where everyone gets their unmolested Enfields for $400 unless they're from Classic Firearms and effectively wall hangers. That said, I do have 3 less than pristine No4 Mk2s which I paid anywhere from 450 (Bubba holes drilled in receiver) to 750. They all look to have seen service, but are solid rifles with no rust and plenty of barrel life.

I live in Oklahoma, so Enfields arent the most popular, but I personally wouldnt pay more than $1300 just because you can get about the same quality of rifle for $1000 that just has a few dings here and there. Ultimately, I think i could've saved money estate sale hunting or just hunting for deals, but that's just me

those of us that have/had got them a long time ago when you could get them from a barrel at sears or when there were folks selling openly in the early days of the net , im not saying they are unavailable - they are watch for listings of us old farts selling ours off , 

also shop the reputable dealers - 
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OldGuns.net
others will give you more , ive recently sold all mine so im no longer buying - im getting out of touch with who is out there , but there is a lot of choices if you want them bad enough to look hard enough , 
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Wrapped (& unwrapped) mummies are an immediate source of contention.
Do you leave them covered not knowing whats going on inside the wrap?
(some have actually been ruined that way by being stored poorly & creatures have used them for latrines)
Or do you unwrap them? Is that somehow destroying the history of something that was never issued & went basically nowhere?
Were they ALL proofed? Not really, but kinda-sorta!
I have 2 one is proofed, the other not.
But they have both been fired before being wrapped. Was it some kind of proof (military arms are not NP or BNP proofed in the U.K. until sold into the civilian market. There are military proofs to pass though.)
Or was it a function or accuracy test? I don't know. But I do know there was firing residue inside the factory applied cosmolene that I had to clean out 40 years later.
The best reasoning I've heard (& this is contested by many) is that the BNP proofed ones were sold to British markets but the ones lacking it were sold from Irish stocks (Irish do not NP, or BNP sold out of service arms) Another "clue" is the presence, or absence of a serial number on the included bayonet. The Irish do serial number match but the British do not.
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nice rifle.
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'53 & '54



If you take two out of the wrap and neither bolt head has an etched ring you have two un-fired MkIIs

Fire one round and you have an etched ring on the bolt face.

That is an expensive one round.

Look at the bottom photo of Shamu"s rifle and there isn't a ring.

Another point; my Mother, RIP, worked at Springfield armory in 1942 in QC after the stock shop and before the drafting room. She told me t first she spent two months firing M1 Garands. OMG I thought but she added on one rifle per rack and even then that is still a lot of pounding to endure. She said " But there were four position shielded stations and eight people a shift." Now I don't recall how many M1 to a rack and I had to unload two boxcars of racks at FT. Sill and surly I have no idea how many #4's to a factory wheels rack and post was production without an accelerated emergency time frame pushing production would affect thing but still a big number. Would they have still been running shifts and proofing every gauged new rifle ?
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Originally posted by Goosic Goosic wrote:

Originally posted by devrep devrep wrote:

there is a gorgeous unfired No4 about 45 minutes from my house.  if I didn't already have one I would be sorely tempted.  price is 1499.00 though which is a lot.  also found a 1944 Garand with great barrel readings 1 muzzle and 2 throat) and nice service wood about an hour away for 1200.00.  which is more tempting?
I know the rifle you are describing.  The problem with the owner claiming that it has NEVER been fired is that, it was fired originally from the factory. No ifs ands or buts about that. The other item of contention is that the photos he has of it show an aftermarket non typical sling attached to it making it in essence a used rifle now. That and he removed the mummy wrap and cleaned it effectively letting it be exposed to the elements. The biggest issue is that you will never know with any amount if certainty if he has fired it. Obviously a very nice specimen but not worth the price of admission.  Also, when something like this shows up on the market, Buy the rifle not the story...
that is it, didn't know it was on armslist.  in fact I forgot about armslist and haven't checked it out in years.  a lot of enfields on there.
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From experience.
Both came to me "unfired", but had firing residue inside the bore under the cosmo. As I said earlier one was BNP proofed the other not.
I found it took about 50 rounds for the bolt face to get the "etched circle" but that was with handloads so maybe that made a better primer seal or something.
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up until a few years ago there was a firearm manufacturer here - off the end of the range i work at , they fired every single rifle produced before it was shipped , it was a requirement 
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