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It is odd. And I’ve checked everything.  Forend is a very snug fit, barrel pressure is good. Butt stock is a good fit and stock bolt tight. Scope and mount all tight. Scope tracks perfectly thru its full range of elevation and windage drum movements. 

Below are the 600 yard scores shot on the NRA Mid Range Target since I installed the CBI barrel.  The orange line is a running average of the last five 10 shot groups. It initially improved after break in, plateaued at an average score of 95 then dropped off.  This only shows the 600 yard groups, I also shot about twenty 10 shot groups at 300 yds, total round count now at 590.   

To be competitive in the Vintage Sniper Match, 300 yd scores need to be 100 and 600 yard scores 97 and higher.  



Think I’ll install the Lothar Walther barrel.  If it shoots well, then I know it was that CBI barrel.  I’ll go over everything again in the process. 


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Test by substitution, good idea!
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Got the CBI barrel pulled off the T. The Lothar Walther barrel will need 0.013 inches machined off the shoulder to index correctly. Hope to get that done on Friday. Then will have to blue the barrel, plan to use the Birchwood Casey Perma Blue.  

The bore is a bit larger on the LW barrel, a 0.3040- pin gage enters the muzzle.


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Go for it.
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The Lothar Walther barrel is now installed on the T and rifle reassembled. 

This barrel requires machining of the breeching shoulder to correctly index. Had to take off 0.0158” which gave me a 14 deg “under turn” in the hand tight position. I decided to go with a bit less underturn this time.  Took about a 70 lb pull on the 12 inch action wrench to index the barrel, threads were coated with anti seize compound, so would have been a fair bit higher if dry. 

The LW barrel comes in the white, I sanded the outer surfaces and applied Birchwood Casey Perma Blue. Came out nice. 

Headspace is a bit shy of the 0.064 GO gage, the bolt handle is about 0.07” from contacting the action body butt socket.  I’ve never encountered rims that as thick as 0.064.  I’m shooting PPU brass which has rims that are 0.060 - 0.062 and they freely chamber and bolt fully locks. This is with a #1 bolt head. 

Rifle is now all assembled and ready for break in and test shooting. Crossing my fingers…



Pretty barrel, shame it has to be covered up with the hand guards.



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That barrel has come up nice! 
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Hoping this barrel shoots as good as it looks! Wink

This is a RH twist barrel, so there would be no tendency for bullet torque trying to unscrew the barrel, I didn’t see a reason that 100+ foot lbs of torque was necessary to shoot accurately and keep the barrel from loosening. 

A .3040- diameter pin gage enters the muzzle, 0.3045- does not. A bit larger than I expected. 4 groove barrel, looks like the lands are a bit narrower than the grooves.   Grooves are supposedly 0.314 but I’ve not slugged the bore yet. 

LW did a very good job on the throat, barely any visible reaming marks.  

Throat length is good too, a 174 gr SMK seated to 3.07” OAL jumps 0.06” to reach the lands.  A 174 gr Hornady .312 BTHP Match bullet contacts the lands at 3.072”, so these bullets probably need to be seated to 3.05” OAL. 

Borescope photo showing origin of the rifling. 


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That looks like a great job !
I hope you get better results than with the Criterion barrel. 
It will be interesting to see what they say regarding the issue you had with it. 
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Yes, this ^^^Stern Smile
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My plan is to hold off returning the CBI barrel until I shoot the rifle with the LW barrel, plan to get to the range on Friday, I'll post the results here. 

I contacted Lothar Walther USA this AM and they just replied saying they no longer produce the No. 4 barrel.  A shame, I wanted to get another one.  Its now just CBI, but they still don't have any for sale yet.  


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Interesting.  I spoke with Lothar Walther, Germany recently and they are still making them.  I asked as I couldn't see them any more on their website.  I have one on my No. 4 Mk 1.
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Mayhem, how well does it shoot?  I’m about to find out on the T, tomorrow.  WX forecast will be hot and humid, but light and variable winds. I will do the initial zero and break in at 200 yds, then move out to 300 and 600 yds. Hoping for a better result than what I got with the CBI barrel. 

Seems odd to me that LW USA stopped production, yet does not import from Germany. Perhaps they reached an agreement with CBI to stay out of each other’s turf.  But, I suspect there is such a relatively small production figures of these barrels, and that is a poor assumption on my part. 

I’m not giving up on CBI, I will return the barrel I removed from the T and see what they do with it. 

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Range Report

Had all the shooting gear packed in the truck, about to pull out of the driveway to make the 1.5 Hour trip to the CMP Talladega Marksmanship Park (TMP). Something told me to check the TMP Calendar on the website, so pulled out my phone and took a look….RANGE CLOSED. Crap. Was looking forward to testing out the new Lothar Walther barrel on the BSA No. 4 Mk I (T) I installed last weekend. Range is closed for two weeks for the Police and Fire Games. 

So, sent a text to my bud Steve, the smith that turned the barrel breeching shoulder back on my last two barrel installs, he lives about an hour away and has his own range. He’s got a bench in his shop and shoots out the window. That will do, tho was hoping to shoot the rifle out to 600 yds today. 

Set up a SR-1 target at 100 yds to do the initial sighting in and barrel break-in. The throat in this rifle is obviously hand lapped, no visible reamer marks with the borescope. 

I first bore-sighted the rifle to get it lined up on the target. I then adjust the scope to the desired POA (bottom of black for a 6 O’Clock hold.  It took 8 clicks (minutes) of right windage and no change in elevation setting (aligned with the 100 yd range index mark on elevation drum.  This method has always worked for me and usually gets the first shot “in the black”.

First shot from the rifle was a 10, at 12:30. Lowered the elevation one click then fired 5 more shots, 4 of which landed in the X ring. I cleaned the bore with Bore Tech Eliminator after the third and sixth shot. Not much copper at all. 



Took that target down and put up a SR-21 target, this is a SR 300 yd Target reduced to 100 yds, so 50% smaller score rings.  Took one sighter, then fired a 10 shot group.  7 of the 10 shots landed in the 3/4” diameter X ring.  Group was right at 1.0” (1 MOA). 



I won’t pass any judgment on this barrel just yet, not until I shoot it at 300 and 600 yds, but initial indications are promising. 

Incidentally, the load is:

PPU Case, neck sized
WLR Primer
40.3 gr Varget
174 gr Sierra MatchKing
3.07” Cartridge Overall Length

Chrono Data:

Temp - 85 deg
Humidity - 75%

MV = 2352 fps
ES = 47 fps
SD = 15 fps

Velocity is about 65 fps slower than the CBI barrel. 

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so far looks great , nice job , 
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Its looking good.
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The World Police and Fire Games Matches complete this weekend at Talladega and the range opened back up to the public today.  This was first opportunity for me to test fire the No. 4 T with the new Lothar Walther Barrel at 300 and 600 yards. These are the distances that make up the course of fire for the CMP Vintage Sniper Matches. 

Got there just at opening, 0900, wanted to get this done quick before the temps ran up into the 90’s. Weather was clear with light and variable winds. 

I had previously zeroed the rifle and scope at 100 yards. The trajectory of my match load follows Mk 7 ball ammo very closely, so that the 300 and 600 yd scope elevation settings get the center of the group very close (within 1/2 MOA) of the center of the target.

I fired two 300 yard 10 shot groups and two 600 yd 10 shot groups and I’m quite pleased with the results.  My 600 yard scores were 95 and 98. A significant improvement over the CBI barrel that has been averaging around 90. 

Muzzle velocity is ticking up slightly, now the mean velocity is at 2375 fps for the 40.3 gr Varget load with 174 SMKs. 

As luck would have it, my first shot at 600 yds was a center X. Had to stop and take a picture: 



The first shot on the second 600 yd group was a low 8, held the scope reticule a bit too low and that shot was the slowest velocity of the 10 shot group at 2350 fps. The next 9 shots were all good, just over 1.5 MOA group. 



So, I will send that Criterion barrel I installed in March back to CBI and see if they will send me a new one. It just won’t group well. 

I’m quite pleased with the Walther barrel, shame we can’t get them in the US anymore. 



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