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I got dedicated shooter status, dedicated hunter status, certified range officer, etc and the list continues.. Could start my own war in the neighbourhood if I wanted to. Wink
 
But I know what you mean about licensing. My brother emigrated to the land of down under 10 years ago, complete with export and import permits, and the license is still on his name here, with no record of the export of the rifle. Can see this being an interesting event if he came back to SA with the rifle for a hunt.
 
 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Zed Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 28 2014 at 1:37am
In France they have recently changed the rules too; which is good for military rifle fans. However they have not done a full renewal of all permits for the small calibre stuff. The problem was that when a new owner declares ownership of the lower category rifles, the old owner was not automatically wiped from the system; so the authorities may have 5 owners on file for 1 rifle.
 The new system of classification meant we had to re-declare them, but they sent all my .22 paperwork back saying we to busy to do those. Too much work! So they missed the opportunity to get up to date info on all firearms instead of just the big stuff.
Still can't complain too much because the permits are free of charge.
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That sounds just so French.Wink
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When we had to change our ID Book / Green Card licenses to the new system I went to the DFO. They processed my applications. On looking on the system they saw the old Mauser and asked me why I wasn't applying for a license. I told them it had been handed in in 96 and I showed them the original SAPS form, complete with original stamp, that the SAPS had taken ownership of the barrel. Guess what the DFO tell me?

"Go to that station and fetch the barrel, we need proof." Is an official form with an original official stamp not proof enough? Its not my responsibility to account for a barrel that is officially in the control of SAPS.

I did also see that my air rifle was still on the system.

The biggest problem is that there are DFO's and there are DFO's. Most don't have a clue or are just not interested in what they are doing. It seems that all the ones that do, are stationed a long way from where I live.

I wish the SAPS would do a "road show" with a bunch of the best DFO's and help us sort out all our problems.
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I had more than one argument with the DFO about interpreting the law. I bought a Lee Enfield SMLE from a guy for R500.00.
However the original owner did not have a safe, and as I was applying for the rifle I wanted permission to store the rifle at my house in a safe.
Well the DFO wanted to charge the original owner for not having a safe. As the guy was house bound, the rifle is under his direct control and does not need to be in a safe. Secondly the DFO reckoned that the storing of rifle in  safe is for people who are going to live overseas. I asked him with a copy of the law in my hand to show me where it said this. He reckoned that was my interpretation, and I told him that he was interpreting the law himself, which then ended up with a further argument. I then got a work colleague who new the DFO's commanding officer, and the CO told the DFO he was wrong. Round 1 for me.
The next time was arguing again about the law and the motivations and sharing of firearms with another person under my direct control, and was told it was illegal. Point to the relevant section, and got told again it was an interpretation. Anyway I also won that one, and am now well known when I walk in, not to mess with me.
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There has to be an installed (bolted down) safe at the applicants domicile that conforms to SABS standards (3mm sides, 6mm door, internal lock). SAPS is supposed to do a physical inspection. Yeh right. I know of people who have been asked to take a photo on their phone and show it to the DFO. In most cases they just ask you if you have a safe.

Now here comes the tricky part. If a person lives overseas, their SA address is no longer their domicile. The person living at that address is, by law, in possession of firearms for which they hold no license or are not lawfully allowed to have (i.e. they are not a gunsmith) even though they don't have keys for the safe. I have been in this situation when I lived in London. I stored my firearms at the gun shop while away.

Last thing you want to do is really p off the DFO. Applications have a nasty habit of falling behind the filing cabinet or being super glued to the bottom of the out box tray.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote saffer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 29 2014 at 2:38am
Interesting point, but a safe is not required if the firearm is under your direct control all the time. It does beg the question, how do you prove that. A handgun yes, rifles?? Hmm maybe, but in this case of of the guy I bought it from, he was house bound, so the rifle was under his direct control. Debatable point though.
Got to love the FCA, but at least we know how to work the system.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Tony Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 29 2014 at 3:21am
Stroll on! I always thought we had it hard in the UK with firearms legislation, you boys seem to have it really tough. Where I'm based in Lancashire I'm lucky to be on good terms with the license dept, I recently got a Parker Hale sporterised #4 from a guy who posted it for sale on here. Paperwork in and out in 3 days, no questions asked. Pete the firearms officer did get a mite wound up when I asked him for a 155mm howitzer for long range deer stalking though. LOL
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