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    Posted: November 19 2022 at 7:59am

I posted on here some while ago that a friend wanted to sell his No.4 and after a conversation with him, I suggested he try a mutual friend to sell it to. Sale details here: 

Lee Enfield No4 Mk1 7.62mm (highwoodclassicarms.co.uk)

 My reason for mentioning this is that I assumed his rifle was just another heavy barrel conversion and not an original No.4 configuration that I had been looking for, albeit with a Canadian barrel! 

 Having stopped kicking myself I asked my friend in Fultons at Bisley if he could make me one, after disappearing out the back of the shot for what seemed an absolute age, he emerged with 4 or 5 7.62mm barrels all of which must have been languishing there for 50 years at least. 

I left the barrel choice to him and after a brief discussion about woodwork, which was his main concern for a No.4 Mk2 and the difference in colour and type of wood available. 

I said I was happy with a decent AJP 4/47 in 1/2 MoA to match the SR"b" No.4 he built for me when I retired in 2016.

 This is the result collected a few weeks ago, to "stick the boot in" to my American chums on here (sorry Geoff! Wink ) the magazine is new, and I was told it came out of its original wrapping about half an hour before I collected it! 

The AJP 4/47 was also unused and half minute clicks which probably saved it from being sold some years ago.

 The foresight is one made by John Wilkes to take the larger 17mm sight inserts; if I was being very vain with this build, I would have chosen a Parker-Hale FS22 tube to take the 15mm sight inserts only because I think they look slightly sleeker and better, however at my age I need all the light there is to illuminate the foresight tube.

One thing I noticed on Thursday was a lot of reflection off the back of the tube and insert, (the sun first thing is right behind you at 300 yards on Century range) I will need to blacken that before my next outing with it.

 How is it for accuracy I can hear some of you thinking? 

Well, the jury is still out on that one and the last thing I intend to do today is share with you is a plot sheet filled in on Thursday in a 5 to 6 MoA wind at 300 yards, although I rather think it shoots in the area of 1 to one and half MoA. 


 I do have an adjustable iris rear sight for it that I was going to use but the extra quarter of an inch that this 6 hole setup gives me saves my shooting glasses from further scratches, I stupidly forget to extend the stock of my AR15 (straight pull) rifle during the summer and scratched my Junghans shooting glasses! 

 

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Niiiiiiiiicccccccceeeee

Looking good !

Nothing like a new toy to play with and develop your loads, i'd have thought it should give you around 1 to 1.5 MoA



I love the AJP 4/47, it is a far superior design and better built than the PH5C.

Is your variable Iris sight a JH Steward ?

JH Steward eyepiece that has coloured filters and an infinitely variable 'iris' (like the old 35mm cameras)

Makes heck of a difference of both bright and overcast days.


I've currently got mine on a PH5A on a No1 Mk3










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Great looking rifle! Good job. My set up is practically identical to yours.
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[QUOTE=The Armourer]I love the AJP 4/47, it is a far superior design and better built than the PH5C.

Is your variable Iris sight a JH Steward ?[QUOTE]

At one time I had 5 rifles all with 4/47's on, down to 3 now.

No name on my adjustable iris but I suspect it's a Steward, it looks very similar to yours; I found it on a Swing sight which was on the first Whitaker Special I bought. 
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Originally posted by Strangely Brown Strangely Brown wrote:

[QUOTE=The Armourer]I love the AJP 4/47, it is a far superior design and better built than the PH5C.

Is your variable Iris sight a JH Steward ?[QUOTE]

At one time I had 5 rifles all with 4/47's on, down to 3 now.

No name on my adjustable iris but I suspect it's a Steward, it looks very similar to yours; I found it on a Swing sight which was on the first Whitaker Special I bought. 

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Very nice! Could you tell me how the front globe is mounted? I'm looking for ideas! Thanks!
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Originally posted by Honkytonk Honkytonk wrote:

Very nice! Could you tell me how the front globe is mounted? I'm looking for ideas! Thanks!

If I'm honest Pat, I don't really know!

I always leave foresight fittings to my mate in Fultons as there always appears too many to choose from; I'm the same bloke who doesn't know what goes on under the bonnet, (hood?) Smile
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I lightened & cleaned up the image a little.
It seems that there's one of those sight mounts for a No4 that uses the existing bayonet fittings. But its also been staked in place behind the bayonet lugs. You can just see the cuts for the bayonet lugs in the front face & the pin driven through further back & higher up. The globe seems to simply be a friction fit in the base.
Hopefully that's a clue


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That makes me drool Mick!  Oh, I can only dream of having that set up!

Sadly, the matches here in the US are, well, more focused on US historical military rifle shooting.  I should be thankful that there is a category I can be competitive in with the No. 4.  It has to be essentially in SR(a) configuration, although we are allowed to use a reduced size aperture (but not a target type sighting) and a sling (such as the 1903 American sling).  

Of course, most of you know that I’m not American by birth.  I was born and grew up in Canada, served in the Canadian Forces, lived in the UK and eventually wound up here in the US South East.  


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That's a beautiful rifle!! Love the sights on it. Nice!
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Love the rifle and not that I'm qualified in the very least, but question.

Shouldn't that globe f/s be mounted so they the knurled element disc is to the aft side of the block?

Pardon me for being uninformed if theirs a reason, just curious so I can learn from more the more experienced members here.
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Originally posted by Doco Overboard Doco Overboard wrote:


Shouldn't that globe f/s be mounted so they the knurled element disc is to the aft side of the block?

Good question: the reason it looks back to front is because it is!

It would be the correct way round on an Envoy or L39 (i.e. knurled ring towards firer), but on a No.4 if it was the other way round it touches the metal work near the end of the barrel and interferes with the free float of the barrel movement. 
The smaller Parker-Hale FS22 tubes do work the correct way round and allow clearance but the smaller ring inserts aren't as easy to use with my older eyes.  
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Doco,
This would be a better option but the one I own is rather scruffy and is fitted with the smaller P-H FS22 tube.


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Originally posted by Strangely Brown Strangely Brown wrote:

Originally posted by Doco Overboard Doco Overboard wrote:


Shouldn't that globe f/s be mounted so they the knurled element disc is to the aft side of the block?

Good question: the reason it looks back to front is because it is!

It would be the correct way round on an Envoy or L39 (i.e. knurled ring towards firer), but on a No.4 if it was the other way round it touches the metal work near the end of the barrel and interferes with the free float of the barrel movement. 
The smaller Parker-Hale FS22 tubes do work the correct way round and allow clearance but the smaller ring inserts aren't as easy to use with my older eyes.  


Ah yes, now I see, thank you very much sir!
My slightly younger eyes somewhat maybe, are not as wise to see beyond what they first saw!
Thank you very much for the prompt reply.
When I went back to observe the image after reading the reply, the reason you provided was clearly illustrated.
Thats a great rifle thanks for letting us have a look-ask questions.
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I noticed that also, but wasn't sure if made a difference. I figured the knurling was there to help while opening to change inserts and for glare reduction. 
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Originally posted by Honkytonk Honkytonk wrote:

I figured the knurling was there to help while opening to change inserts and for glare reduction. 

You've hit the nail on the head! 
The glare from the "wrong end" need sorting as I mentioned in the first post, I've got some sight black, but I will be looking for other options over the winter.
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