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    Posted: November 30 2020 at 6:42pm
Ok, done a lot of reading and still confused.   Got a 2a  7.62 x 51 made in 1966.  seems some say ok to shoot 308 some say no.   so what about Remingtons managed recoil loads as these cant have the pressure of full strength loads?? 

also, the bayonet thing sill confuses me.  see plenty on ebay for Mark 4 . will they fit?

thanks for any responses. Mack
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308 in 7.62 Nato chambered rifles is an involved issue.  It involves Chamber tolerances and well as pressure limits. In an Ishy I would stick to Ball 7.62 Nato or Handloads to those specs. Others with more  knowledge will hopefully chime in about  safety of specific loads. 

As for the Bayonet  the Ishapore  takes a shortened version of the  Bayonet for the No1  SMLE
the standard SMLE bayonet will fit. I think it looks better
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Originally posted by Mack in N.C. Mack in N.C. wrote:

Ok, done a lot of reading and still confused.   Got a 2a  7.62 x 51 made in 1966.  seems some say ok to shoot 308 some say no.   so what about Remingtons managed recoil loads as these cant have the pressure of full strength loads?? 

also, the bayonet thing sill confuses me.  see plenty on ebay for Mark 4 . will they fit?

thanks for any responses. Mack

Welcome from Phoenix Arizona  Mack.
Federal Cartridge Co. Make two specific rounds that would be safe to use . The 168grn and the 175grn match ammunition.  Aguilla Ammunition make 150grn 7.62x51mm rounds suitable for your application as well.  If you reload your own ammunition, there are alot of different loading data out there to assist with a near duplicate 7.62x51mm load. You can find the 144/47grn NATO ammunition at various online sources, and that would definitely be your best alternative to use in your rifle.
The bayonet would be any bayonet designed to fit the SMLE  No1Mk111/* rifles. eBay has them listed under the title Enfield Bayonet  P1907.
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7.62 vs .308 boils down to a question of headspace.  If the bolt on your rifle closes on a SAAMI .308 Field gage, do not shoot .308 ammunition.  That is the very definition of a rifle unsafe to shoot.  

7.62 cartridge brass is made thicker in the web area just above the case head to handle the longer 7.62 chamber.  

Most .308 commercial loads (not all) will produce higher chamber pressures than the .303 British Mk 7 service cartridge. Make sure you keep the chamber free of oil and water, this minimizes thrust loads on the bolt (a good practice for all LE rifles).

If you reload, that is your best option, use minimum published loads for .308 Winchester.  

The .308 Remington Managed Recoil factory load is a 125 gr bullet with a muzzle velocity of 2660 fps.  While this is likely very mild for the .308 (and light bullets definitely reduce felt recoil) we do not know what powder is used, so we have no way to estimate max chamber pressure of this load.




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Bayonets for the No4 & No1 bayonets for the SMLE are not interchangeable, sorry.
The No1 (SMLE uses a knife handled bayonet with a locking lug as part of the nosecap, the No4 uses a socket bayonet around the protruding muzzle.)
2 different bayonets for the No4:

P1907 bayonet for the No1 SMLE:

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the indians made a shortened version of the P1907 known as their no1 mkI , mkI* , mkI**  , mkII , mkII* , mkIII , mkIII* , the mkIII series had the squared pommel that i think look best with the 2A and 2A1rifles , 
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Thanks for the reply.....I need a round for hunting.  Are any loads you listed good for deer as I want to kill a deer with this gun.  I have plenty of ball ammo but I would assume they are not good for hunting.  
I listed gun as a 2a but it is a 2a1....

also still confused on the bayonet thing.  I see the differences in the length but I cant tell the way they attach. 
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just seen the bottom of your post about which one will fit.   Those are not cheap . looks like i will have to spend at least 150.00. on it.  Thanks for the reply.    Mack
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Also, I know the 308 and 7.62 Nato are different kinda like the 223 and 5.56 but then why would PMC list both on their ammo box??
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Aguila Ammunition makes a 150grn lead tipped spire point for 7.62x51mm chambered rifles.  Suitable for medium size game...
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the bayonet attaches as the P1907 did with the muzzle ring and lug on the bayonet boss - nosepiece of the stock , the difference in the indian bayonets and the P1907 is the length - they shortened them , 

i have to switch computers to add photos , i no longer have photos of my indian kit - that was lost in the old photobucket debacle but i have a P1907 photo i think that will indicate the connection , 




the four on the right are the correct connection but the longer length , the indians shortened theirs to the length of those on the left , 
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