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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Frameman 1 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 17 2019 at 7:15am
that thought did enter my mind. At a glance it seems to be strong. We’ll see!!
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does anyone know if the splice was pinned or just butt glued?
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If Gibbs did the conversion it was pinned. 
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I would definitely own that rifle! Very nice!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Shamu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 17 2019 at 8:25am
IIRC the ends were drilled & dowels inserted lengthwise then it was all glued together. I never heard of any cross pins, dovetails or anything though. Just a butt join with dowels.
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I can’t find any manufacturers marks or import marks anywhere on it . Is there anyway to tell if it’s a Gibbs conversion?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Bear43 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 17 2019 at 9:41am
These are notorious for being unmarked. Here is a post from Gunboards that talks about it and some of the history of these "tanker" carbines:

"Mid-age, since you and others already know the rifle's pedigree there is no harm to be done to anyones feelings at this point. For the sake of info, I'll go on and offer a little more background going back about 20 years on these 'tankers' and others. Namely the so-called Gibbs rifles since it came up.
Back then many of us here were then on the Gun and Knife boards followed by its successor Britishguns.net until shortly after the passing of our host, Mark Bitting.

Val Forgett Jr. himself was on the boards with us and he himself gave us the lowdown on what his commercial carbines really were. Mind you, he was defending against backlash for chopping up rifles.
The rifles were said to be rejects, modified because they couldn't pass muster to be sold directly as surplus. Original conditions were that bad or so we were told. They were not modified one at a time but in huge batches at low cost to get them to market at a price which could still profit. They are refinished parts guns made with both old and NOS surplus bits.
Another point of conflict was the fact the rifles were unmarked in regard to who did the work unlike the well marked Golden State/Santa Fe "jungle carbines" or the Jovino like-new builds...which are identifiable by traits and serial numbers.

The Gibbs name had been bought out earlier by Navy Arms and was used strictly as a recognizable trade name by this point. Nothing resembling the old and honorable company which once stood behind it. (Just like Curtis-Mathis televisions and other trusted brand names)

There were a lot of problems back then in regard to QC. They were hit or miss from function to finish. As Val told us on open forum, try them before knocking them so some of us did. I picked up three duds myself from disgruntled owners. I was able to swap parts and do some tweaking to get the rifles to perform. Others did the same. Most were refinished as that would come off staining hands, face, and clothing when used on a warm humid day.
By now, those duds which weren't stripped and sold for parts have probably been fixed along the way. There may be some which were tossed to the side or buried in the back of the safe which may someday resurface. Those are the ones to be wary of.

The rifles have always been notorious for being unmarked. Many suspect nefarious reasons behind that given the overall poor QC of the parts guns and misleading ad hype of the time.

The "tankers" such as yours I am unsure of some of their commercial origins. I don't recall them being a "Gibbs" offering but some were said to be sold under the Navy Arms label. Doesn't matter much at this point anymore. So long as yours works and you're pleased with your nostalgic looking carbine then all is good. As you said, given its history you are free to do whatever you need to/want to in regards to upgrades and improvements and that's a good thing too."

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"The wood behind the steel pillar for the front trigger guard screw is blown out and the recoil blocks at the trigger action is beaten a little."

ive seen brass ferrals fitted at the screw that might work for you , there are plates that fit in the stock to take that impact , 
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I remember seeing those plates you mention. I’ll look into that. Thanks!
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Well, I have a range report to share with all who are interested.
I’ll start with the good news. All 19 rounds of PPU 7.62 NATO M80, went bang. Yay!! Nothing made of metal left the rifle. Also Yay! Groups were pretty good at about 3”. 
The bad, the forend, as predicted, left the rifle on the very first shot. 0 glue just a hardware store wood dowel. 
My shots at 27yds. are about 1.5” to the left but are nearly 5.5” too high. Hopefully I can find a front sight blade tall enough to correct this issue. 
The corrective woodwork will be easy and fun.
This rifle makes me smile!😎

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Second range report!
After cleaning, installing brass pins and applying epoxy to all mating wood surfaces, fabricating some reinforcement plates at the recoil draws, polishing the trigger group, I now report the rifle not only stayed in one piece but achieved pretty good accuracy ( by my standards) as well.
Sub 3” groups at 25 yards. #4 group started to loosen with a heated barrel. I think I like her.
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Nicely done!
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Thanks Shamu.
I do still have an issue with extracting a case after firing.
It takes some effort but can be done without power tools.
I’m going to give it’s chamber a really good cleaning and see if that takes some of the struggle out of it.
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Good idea, also clean the neck & throat area!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Arminius Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 11 2019 at 2:58pm
It´s an interesting rifle, for sure!
 
May I ask: what´s the Mag capacity?
 
Literature is that most were 12 rounders.
 
Any Mag I traced on the net was 10 rounds: mine, 2 replacement aftermarket mags, any advertised on God-only-knows.
 
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P.S.: mine is marked "2A1", has the "2.000" sight, WITH windage adjustable rear blade.
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The magazine capacity is 10 rounds comfortably, 11 if I force feed it but it doesn’t like 11. Back sight is a 2000 but not windage adjustable.
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