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    Posted: February 12 2020 at 5:11pm
I have a No4 rifle that I'm fiddling with and need some help identifying the back sight.

Just curious because its on a Savage rifle that has a good many original parts with the exception of possibly the back-sight and maybe a few small parts.

It has a circled P on the left side of the slide and a very small B next to another circle P but smaller on the rear face at the top left corner.

It looks just like a non-serif proof mark on the wrist of a US rifle. I seem to think the B may represent Longbranch but not sure.

Thanks for any replies or insight
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circle P is for poole thats a british company that made parts and bayonets 
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Any chance of a photo? to see what type of rear sight.
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Without a photo of the rear sight we can only make assumptions. Minus the P inside a circle stamp and the B stamp,what your are describing is a Singer Micrometer rear sight calibrated from 200-1300 yards. Your Savage Enfield could have had that installed from their factory but would have had a squared S inside a square in place of the circled P. More likely then not,your rifle would have had a L type flip sight as pictured on the far right. The middle Mk3 ladder style sight is commonly found on a Long Branch made rifle. As stated in the other thread a P inside a circle just indicates that that part was made by Poole Mfg.
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Thanks, it's a milled micrometer sight that's identical to the three individual pictures above and just like the milled sight on the left with the stamped and flip up peep.
I have another S rifle with a milled sight also that is marked with an S on both the cursor and the elevation knob.
I kind of thought this one would be the same and couldn't figure out if it had been changed out or was original.
I'm going to figure out how to post some pictures.
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Lets see if this works!

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The production machinery from BSA (and later Fazakerley) was shipped to the Pakistan Ordnance Factory at Wah (PoF)
They manufactured the rifle and many of the ancillaries with their marking being a P in a circle.

See picture on the link

https://joesalter.ca/products/pakistan-ordnance-factory-no-4-mk-2-rifle






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I have a savage that came with the L sight, but I found a micro metre sight with savage stamp.
Put it on the rifle because I prefer them plus it's a savage.
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Your rifle is a early Savage made rifle with the bolt release behind the charging bridge.  If the barrel has not been cutdown at all and still retains the bayonet lugs, refurbishment to original would be my course of action. 
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I found the rifle with a chopped off for-end but not the barrel. It has the 6 groove left hand twist in good shape and the button shaped cocking piece.
The only fore-end I have is for a Mk2 but I have all the other parts on hand to get it together enough to shoot.

I just have to patch a piece in to the rear of the fore end and inlet the rear strap to get it semi decent. There's that other forward screw too that I want to remove and patch and figure out a suitable replacement for the rear strap nail that I can peen it over at each end close as I can get.

Thanks for the information regarding the rear sight, I would not have known. If anyone has a suggestion for the nail at the rear strap and how to work that would be great.

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 6 groove barrel is interesting.  

Long Branch made six groove barrels in the 1950’s, identified with a C Mk 4 stamp.  Anyone know who else (and when) made six groove barrels?  


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