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    Posted: December 18 2013 at 1:20am
No, I'm not moving out, but I don't think I'm in the land of the free or the home of the brave anymore when I hear of this happening not once, but twice.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/12/18/pa-town-latest-to-force-drivers-over-and-ask-for-cheek-swabs-for-federal-study/

"Drivers in a southeastern Pennsylvania town were forced off a local street and into a parking lot, so a federal contractor – aided by local police --could quiz them about their road habits and ask for a cheek swab, in a replay of an incident last month in Texas."


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This is a frightening thing and I wish more people would pay attention and protest this crap. It is a clear violation of Constitutional rights.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Tony Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 18 2013 at 1:33am
What constitutional rights?? You lost those when Oh Bummer was voted in.
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Here's how they'll be told to get my swab when they start trying "intimidation".

1 : un-holster sidearm.
2 : Cock sidearm.
3 : disengage safety.
4 : Point sidearm at my forehead.
5 : Pull trigger repeatedly till I quit twitching.
6 : Take swab from cadaver.

Try that for "Intimidation" 'cus nothing else is going to do it as I'm leaving, NOW! Get the he!! out of my way.AngryCensored
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What happens if you refuse the swab? This is so draconian!
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When people refuse the swab they are questioned and allowed to go. From what I read about the last one in Texas it was very persistent questioning trying to basically strong-arm the people into "volunteering".
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Supposedly you get a group of the "samplers", backed up by large police officers who scream yell & threaten you as a pack at very (10~12" range) in the hopes that you'll be intimidated into "voluntary compliance".

Its more of an interrogation than a questioning.
One person had to demand to be released several times for over 5 minutes before being "allowed to leave" the Voluntary stop.
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"The checkpoint was supposed to be voluntary, but Nieves said he had to refuse several times over a five-minute period before the woman taking the survey let him go".

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These actions should be recorded then contact with a lawyer then charges laid? I see this as an act of treason to the US constitution. "Don't tread on me" comes to mind.
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From the earlier Dallas TX stop.

""I gestured to the guy in front that I just wanted to go straight, but he wouldn't let me and forced me into a parking spot," she said."

http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/North-Texas-Drivers-Stopped-at-Roadblock-Asked-for-Saliva-Blood-232438621.html

The scariest bit of this?

"NBC 5 Dallas-Fort Worth found that contractors for the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration are stopping people as part of a $7.9 million voluntary survey that is taking place over three years in 30 cities."

Voluntary my butt.
What would happen if you stopped in the street at the barrier, refused to enter the parking lot, said "I demand the right to have an attorney present" & then just froze. Saying & doing nothing at all?
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Yep, after being asked just roll up the windows, lock the doors, turn the radio up loud and just sit and wait to see what happens. Have your phone camera taking a video of the whole affair. I'd be mad as a killer bee!!
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do as canuk suggests and tell them you are calling your lawyer for illegal detention , the do it ....

this needs to stop , 

in reading the link :

"...Reading Police Chief William Heim told the Reading Eagle the federal agencies are trying to see what can be done about crashes and injuries, and the swabs were not to get DNA samples but to test for the presence of prescription drugs. He said police were there for site security only and did not pull drivers over or ask questions...." 

yet the picture clearly shows an armed policeman leaning on the drivers window 
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The other thing is that I guarantee the DNA is being put into a database. It's already a common practice anytime anyone is arrested so why not add samples from the general public whenever possible? It's a really scary scenario.
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Holy smokes! & I thot Canada was becoming a police state! That's just NUTZ! So much for individual freedoms.
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