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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Zed Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 20 2022 at 9:24am
You could try "Richard Stork" at Devizes Gunsmiths in the UK.
He often has a lot of Enfield target sights for sale. 
I bought some stuff from him. He's busy so takes time to reply, but I did get the parts after a couple of reminders!
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The Central sight Co was an Australian maker of target sights, probably the most wanted sights in Aus.
I'm not sure about the "Bisley" stamp, but am trying to find more info for you. Mine has a bunch of engraving on the front of the "L" I'll go & get it photographed later when I go upstairs where the rifle is.
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A.E. Clarke in the UK also made/copied the Central sight so there is a chance items found over here will probably fit.
Still very occasionally seen on rifles at Bisley!  
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Q. Does the rear battle sight need to be removed to use these sights?
Looks as though they would interfere with the sight picture.
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There's a few ways to deal with that, left "as issued" its a very messy sight picture.
You can, in order of degree.
1: File or grind the rear face of the battle sight down & reblue.
2: Remove the rear sight blade, leaving the arm & so on fitted. The single screw is staked in so deal with that first so the screw slot doesn't get boogered.
3: Get a slim style rear sight blade (there are variations, the slimmer the better), then remove the original & store it for replacement later if desired attach the slim inverted so the blade faces DOWN into the wood.
4: Remove the sight arm & blade as a unit.
5: Remove the whole ding dang doodle thing.
6: As (5) but also replace the upper & lower hand-guards with a solid one piece unit, if you can find one.

I went with option 3 as it was a good balance between work required, aesthetic appeal & functionality. Plus the blade & notch are still there just facing in not out. That means you could unscrew the Central & un-flip the open sight in just minutes if you had to for some reason.




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A few more pic of the sight & mount showing things like patent dates & different angles. You can see the "extra" hole of the "Universal Mount plate" which attaches to the bolt hole for No4 & No5 safety springs.




Last but not least a bit more tech info from the maker of the Central.

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On my .303 SMLE, I modified the rear sight by removing the shoulder on the  underside of the sighting notch component. Then fitted it upside down. So if I need to revert to standard sights , I just flip it over and remove the target sights.
So there's no interference with the sight picture when using the target sight. And no confusion by having 3 useable sights in competition; which is not allowed. 
With the .22 SMLE. The target sight is set higher for 50 metres, so the original sight on its lowest setting is not an issue.
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Cool thanx.
I think I`ll just remove the whole sight arm, that should clean up the sight picture nicely.
Option 6 sound good to, would make the rifle look sexy.

As mentioned by Zed, I fired off a note to Richard Stork, his site shows the 6 hole iris, I also asked if he might have the long TG screw.

As far as that guy on ebay is concerned, he will and does ship to Canada, but, dosn`t seem to get that items not listed as such I can`t buy, ebay won`t allow it unless its marked in the auction, shipping to Canada
I`ve been back and forth a few times with him now with no resaults, he has what I need, but no way to buy them!Unhappy
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On the one with the BSA #9 I did that, & on the Lithy I flipped the slim blade.
Both work, but I prefer the inverted slim blade. its just looks "nicer" to me.
Both ladders have been raised to show the bottom of the blade better, to use I just set the elevation to "2" & the blade disappears from the sighting picture. Its all personal preference but if I was removing the whole thing or the entire ladder I'd feel the "big hole" in the forend would look "off" so I'd go the whole hog with the one piece hand-guard.




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OK cool, I just won a Parker Hale Smle mounting kit on ebay.UK, includes the safety screw, spring, washer and the long TG screw, $37cnd. including shipping.
Now to get an elusive 6 hole iris.
Hopefully that artiozen2015(Henry) will get back to me with a revised auction. or I hear back from Richard Stork
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Richard Storks price is better by almost half, plus what ever shipping would be. And then the long wait for mail from the UK usually a couple weeks.
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GRREAT!Thumbs Up
It sounds like its really coming together.
A trick I discovered I'll share.

When you fit the new peep sight don't immediately remove the battle sight, or blade.
What you can do is set up the new sight to exactly frame the old sight & foresight. when all 3 are aligned messily, Zero the scales THEN remove the battle sight bits its now sighted to the same POA / POI!
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Here`s some pics of the sight I acquired,not as shiny as yours shamu, but in really good condition.
As seen in one of the pictures, the patent date is 12-11-35, yet mention of Australia??



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Does anyone know if the 1 pc upper wood for the No1 mk5 trials rifle would be the same overall size and length to fit a No1 MkIII?
Prestigious has them, and that`s about it for 1 pc wood for an smle
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I'm afraid I can't help you there.
First reply from Oz.
Your sight is almost certainly calibrated for 74Gr MkVII ball, unlike mine, but if you change anything you're going to the Minutes scale.anyway.
That's a vernier scale, on the right of the elevator (I apologize for asking) can you read / use a Vernier?
 because that's what most users of these go to.
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Originally posted by Shamu Shamu wrote:

I'm afraid I can't help you there.
First reply from Oz.
Your sight is almost certainly calibrated for 174Gr MkVII ball, unlike mine, but if you change anything you're going to the Minutes scale.anyway.
That's a vernier scale, on the right of the elevator (I apologize for asking) can you read / use a Vernier?
 because that's what most users of these go to.


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