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    Posted: July 25 2020 at 5:22pm
I recently acquired a 1942 Long Branch #4 MK1. I've been watching some WWII documentaries and have seen many SMLE's with what looks like a long knife instead of the spike bayonet. I would love to have one like that for my Long Branch when I finish replacing the fore stock. I have been googling and googling and all I can come up with for the #4 MK1 are the spike ones.

I would be very grateful if anyone can explain this to a SMLE newbie.

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Welcome from Phoenix Arizona. 
The bayonet you are inquiring about is a No9MkI.  eBay has quite a few of them. The first photo shows a No9MkI made in South Africa from Armscor and the second photo is a Pakistan Ordnance Factory made No9MkI...


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There is a No7MkI/L swivel pommel blade bayonet that was originally designed for use on the Sten submachine gun and it will fit on the No4Mk1 rifle but was used for parade purposes only. 
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You may be seeing some No1 Mk III (SMLE) mixed in with No4's in there. They had a really long (P'07) bayonet. Both types were intermixed for a while. There was never a "Sword Bayonet" for the No4, even though there were some bladed ones like the no9, or the no7.

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the spikes were the no4 mkI cruciform , the no4 mkII a formed spike on the socket , the no4 mkII* a  welded on spike to the socket and the no4 mkIII a totally welded up socket and spike - crude but serviceable , then came the no7 blade with swiele socket and the no9 blades - two were made the drop point and the spear point - this patterned on the US no4 and those after .........ill come back with a photo from my other computer ..not loaded to this one yet , 



left to right the no7 [there were two of these - one red scaled and one black] , the no9 drop point [previous posts showed the spear point] , the no5 , the no4s - mkIII , mkII* , mkII, mkI cruciform , the most expensive of the series which was only made by singer [has been faked] and was short lived due to war expedients , 
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From top to bottom. 
No4Mk1 Cruciform 
No4Mk11
No4Mk11*
No4Mk3
No7MkI/L 
No9MkI POF 
No9MkI Armscor
These represent all of the various bayonets that will readily fit to the No4Mk1 Enfield rifles. 
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My apologies A Square.  Did not mean to step over you. I did not see your post until now...
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The 1907 type sword bayonet would be used throughout WWII by Ausralian and New Zealand troops; as most of them would be issued with the Australian made (Lithgow) SMLE No1 MkIII rifle. The British started to produce the No Mk1 rifle after Dunkirk and as the war progressed, more British troops would have swapped the No1 rifle for the No4 type.
Unfortunately you cannot fit the sword bayonet to the No4 rifle. But as seen above, a blade type does exist; but it was post WWII.
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no worries goosic - we both intended the same info and you have a fair share of mine at this point i should retire my photos - yours are better , i suspect he is happy seeing the redundancy to reaffirm his thinking and understanding anyway - i know i was back when i started this interest , we are all on the same page here , 

a great book that might be hard to find but well worth the effort and cost is grahem priests , spirit of the pike [british socket bayonets of the twentieth century] its a large book with everything in it regarding these known through 2003 and lots f photos that help with the understanding , i might have parted with my copy save for the great friend that found it for me for christmas years ago , it resides with my other hard bound references that have great value , for those concentrating collecting of the no4 spikes its a must have , 
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Something happened to me last week. I ended up with  a spare No4 Mk11*,a spare No4 Mk11 N67 stamped, and a spare LB No4 Mk11 with scabbard and frog.
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