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    Posted: July 23 2019 at 1:22pm
Well, chalk up something else I didn't know about Enfields. A guy on a buy/sell firearms site in Canada was looking for a 45LC conversion cylinder for his Uberti cowboy pistol. I don't have the cylinder, but I do have a Ruger Old Army I bought new in the 90's. Maybe fired 20 rounds out of it. I get to emailing this bloke, he asks if I'm interested in trading it for a Lee Enfield DCRA. Apparently 7.62x51 NATO. I had to look it up. Help me out please. He's sending me some pics, but if I am right, it is a Long Branch converted to 7.61 by Canadian Arsenal's? Single shot? Any idea on the average price? Thanks!
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My bad. Reread his email. Says it's a Savage DCRA in 7.62. Does that jive? Thanks again!
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Check this link out. Lots of good info & pricing.

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Correct Dominion of Canada Rifle Association.
Target rifle build by Candian Arsonels formerly LB.
These were converted longbranch enfields and were the only conversions accepted by the DCRA.
until they ruled that any No4 303 was acceptable apon which individuals could submit thier own rifles to Canadian Arsenals for conversion, so yes a Savage rebarreled reciever could very were be an official DCRA rifle provided its proof marked as such and it still retains its full military woodwork.
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So if you dont want this trade rifle, you could get him to send it to me...
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I realize without seeing condition, are these rifles worth anything?

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Not sure of value, but they are desirable, even more so if its an original former LB conversion of a LB rifle for DCRA shooting.
I believe these where done in the `50`s on into the early 60`s.
I guess it depends on what your pistol cylinder is worth, the fellow is willing to trade so I guess his rifle is worth at least that much to him. trade and cash are two different animals.
Now this rifle would be worth zero to me if not full furnitured and had no Canadian Arsenals proof marks.
Anyone can build a 7.62 conversion rifle and call it a DCRA gun.

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Actually, the trade would be for my Ruger cap and ball Old Army. He's looking for the conversion cylinder. I have know idea what my pistol is worth. $600-700?
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HT, one in very good condition with the PH 5c/d rear sight should be worth more than a typical No. 4 Mk I in .303 (IMHO).  I’ve occasionally seen them listed for sale.  The barrel should be in good condition, Canada did not load 7.62 ammunition with cordite or corrosive primers.  Long Branch made the barrel with the same outer contour as the .303 barrel omitting the bayonet lugs.  I believe the rifling is 1/10 RH twist 4 groove.

The DCRA rifles retained the .303 bolt head and extractor, which will extract the 7.62 case but will not reliably eject.  .303 magazines were used as a single shot loading platform.  

I have one of these LB conversions (by then, known as Canadian Arsenal Limited), the conversion number is stamped on the barrel, bolt and receiver.  There are some photos of it on this forum.  It is a PF Mk 2 action. 




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If the rifle is true to its claim, I think that might be a fair trade.
Most of the decent Savage enfields I`ve seen lately are going fpr between 600-900$
A 7.62 conversion IDK, The last LB DCRA rifle I saw last yr sold for around $1000, its the LB reciever-ed conversions that`ll fetch the bucks.
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Good stuff to know. Up until today, didn't know the beast existed. Awaiting pics. I really like the Ruger cap and ball, but it takes about week to reload and normally your hands are so covered in lube you gotta wipe them off before you shoot!
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Are there any figures on how many rifles were converted?
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Skinnerton said the original "order" was for 1000 rifles, but only 200 were done.  My rifle is No. 590.   
I don't know if this "order" was handled thru DCRA, and they in turn sold the rifles to their members?
 
There are some posts over on the MILSURP forum that give more background information and suggests that over 1500 rifles in total were eventually converted.  Apparently CAL later offered the conversion to individuals who sent the rifle in to CAL.   I suspect that is how the rifle I have was done.
 
I did read on the MILSURP forum that someone else has a rifle that was bedded the same way the one I have was done; the barrel is completely bedded to the forend in a composite resin, right up to the front band. 
 
The original owner of my 7.62 No. 4 was a friend of my Dads, they both shot in the DCRA matches in the 1960's; but Dad could not remember who had done the conversion work on his friends rifle.  Dad also had one converted, it was done by the DCRA Armorer in Ottawa who must have got the barrel from CAL, it does not have the CAL serialized conversion number.  Both rifles are Faz Mk 2 actions.
 
 
 
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Thank you. More good information.
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