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Correct I'm afraid.
No4 Mk1(T) would need to be in .303 Brit.
BUT don't dispair there are other classes you can shoot in there always were or the Charnwood conversions would have never got off the ground.
"F" Class maybe?
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That's actually  the rifle I am referring to Shamu. The Savage No4Mk1* I added the reproduction (T) scope assembly to. Everything except for the No32Mk1 scope is original and as issued...
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So its still in .303 British?

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This rifle Shamu. Still a .303Br. Everything except the scope and cheek riser are original and in an as issued condition...
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Coincidentally:

I went back to the big (1300 table) gun-show today & the Nof (T) in the transit chest is still there.

I took some phone pictures but they are poor at best.

Here's the scoop EXACTLY as it was told to me. I present it without comment.

Rifle seems in nice condition from a visual inspection, but crate has a single long crack in the top. Probably easily fixable with glue & clamps.

In it is the Rifle, A No4Mk1(T) but its a “Telescope rifle (TR) which was issued scopeless.” The dealer has found & matched a scope & mount, but isn't sure if the scope is original or a reproduction. Interestingly it has a mod (easily reversible) that I swear I invented! There is a thumbscrew from a pistol scope mount bolted through the hole in the safety lever so its easier to manipulate with the side scope mount fitted!

It has matching numbers, a bayonet, sling & in the tin for the scope is the scope adjusting tool.

He's asking $5,5000.00 plus shipping insurance which he estimates will bring the total to about 46,000.oo.

He is in Port Orange, FL

Indian River Collectibles, LLC.

Curtis L. Ferrell

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866-290-5848

e-mail cgwedge113@icloud.com

He is possibly expecting a call from you & you can use “Shamu” as the contact name with him.

I have no connection with the seller, just putting the two of you in contact, either way I'll not be in the least offended.

I have (terrible) pictures if you want them.

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Goosic, you can use your Savage No. 4 (T) repro you installed the No. 32 scope on in the CMP Vintage Sniper matches.  These matches are shot in teams of two shooters (a spotter and shooter, taking turns).  Your No. 4 in 7.62 would not be eligible any of the CMP Vintage matches, but would be eligible for F class.

The Savage would also be elegible for the Vintage Military Rifle matches if you remove the scope and use the rear service sight. This can be a Mk1 apature sight even if it was not original to the rifle. 
   
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Originally posted by Goosic Goosic wrote:

If you are asking me that question.  I don't shoot competitively, never have. I was trained to shoot very well is all...

Forgive me. I would just have assumed such good markmanship would have been honed in a competetive environment, Goosic. Not just in solo practise. 

Good luck with the club invite. 
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To clarify the “as issued” condition for shooting the CMP Games matches, factory rebuilt/repaired condition reissued to the troops (such as FTR LEs) is allowed.  For the Vintage Military Rifle Match, any bolt action service rifle that is in equivalent “as issued” condition with a few exceptions:  newly manufactured barrel of original military contour (e.g., new Criterion barrel in original service weight) is allowed, a reduced size apature is allowed, commercial misc parts of exact same weight and dimensions, new commercial stocks of the same dimensions.  

For the Vintage Sniper Match, military rifles issued prior to 1953 or a commercial replica.  Modern commercial reproduction of original scopes are allowed.  What is not allowed, is a change in original caliber, so this would exclude a 7.62 chambered No. 4 (L42 for example, or No. 4(T) rebarreled to 7.62) as these were not issued to military snipers prior to 1953.   The same goes for the VMR match, so the converted No. 4 rifles to 7.62 would not be allowed.  




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My only source for competitive shooting came from my dad. He was an expert marksman in the military. He taught me how to judge windspeeds,air pressure, how to make corrections for a moving target, how far away the target is using the MilDots in the scope,how to shoot between your heartbeat and breath,and how to properly shoot with both eyes on the target. I was trained by an Army Scout...
A few years back I was able to return the favor by scouting for him during a Pronghorn Antelope hunt. His weapon of choice you ask? A Parker Hale Custom No4 shooting a factory loaded 180 grn Norma round through the iron sights. Distance was walked off at 250+ yards. The bullet struck the antelope just under his ear. It was an intentional shot. The man is 74 and still has 20/10 vision and can still outshoot me. I do not compete because I do not feel compelled to. I shoot to continue to hone my skills and to be able to pass them to my teenage daughter. My personal perspective on competition shooting is that no matter how well trained you are,or,to be more precise. How well trained you think you are. Someone will always come along and shut you down. I can shoot,and I can shoot well. Not well enough to compete against what I have been invited to do this coming weekend I fear. The best I can hope for is to just go out there punch a bunch of holes into a piece of paper where the big X is...
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And may your training pay off for you. Good Luck also. Good to hear of your wish to pass your skills on to your daughter.  Enjoy.
 
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We're all rooting for you for the upcoming shoot, Goosic!
Fingers crossed as well!
 
 
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Originally posted by Shamu Shamu wrote:

So its still in .303 British?


Yes it is...
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Originally posted by sc-em sc-em wrote:

It will be interesting to see how this develops.
Excuse my ignorance but I assume you shoot the same class of gun as your competitors, or is it more open than that? I have never been involved in the like. It would be nice to think an Enfield in good hands will still hold up to more modern counterparts.
What was explained to me was that I can use anything between .223 up to .300 Win. Mag. My three best shooters are a Weatherby .243,my No4 converted to 7.62mm,and my Ashbury Precision Ordnance 10 Tactical .308. The targets will be both a silhouette and a 8" metal gong thing.  I am almost certain I can hit both,especially the gong. Hold just low and left of center and squeeze,bong...
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My daughter shot the Enfield 7.62mm at 100 yards. She has never shot a centerfire rifle until that day. This is her grouping. To put the picture in a better perspective, all the shots can be covered with her palm...
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Originally posted by sc-em sc-em wrote:

It will be interesting to see how this develops.
Excuse my ignorance but I assume you shoot the same class of gun as your competitors, or is it more open than that? I have never been involved in the like. It would be nice to think an Enfield in good hands will still hold up to more modern counterparts.

Yes, exactly that! Formal competition is just that Formal. It very specific about every detail (except where it isn't).Confused

Just because you are an excellent shot (like Goosic) with an excellent rifle (again, like Goosic) it doesn't guarantee success, in fact the exact opposite is true, they want "the New Guy" to have a very high chance of success. So what happens is you have multiple "classes", varying from "intro" (right out of the box, totally standard) to "Unlimited" (put lasers, GPS  & satellite range-finding on it if you like) to "even the field".
There will be a class where he can compete (Guessing "F" class"), but it will be against virtually identically modified rifles.
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