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    Posted: February 26 2019 at 2:37am
I have found myself a lovely little No.4 which looks like its had very little use. I know its not exactly rare or historical but its mine and I'm going to enjoy shooting it which is all that matters.

I'm no expert on these or the markings but from what I have researched and been told this is what I think I have but would be happy to find any extra information and clarification from the experts here.

Its a Fazakerley made Rifle dated 1952 but also marked 1973 which I believe would be when it was Re-Proofed and released to civilian market. Most serial numbers are matching even the magazine just one piece of wood that has been changed.

The normal quick checks came back well with muzzle end showing very little wear and chamber also being a nice tight fit. Rifling is bright and looks as new as well. Proof will be in the pudding when I get it on the range though.









Now for the part that will probably upset the purists! I'm not a fan of varnished or light wood. As the top rear section wasn't original I thought I would remove the varnish that someone had put on and give it some colour before finishing with oil.









I think it looks so much better.

Now to start the re-loading and get some range time with it.
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well , you have a wonderful rifle that should serve your shooting needs well , the late FAZ riflles are wonderful , a mkI/2 started life as a mkI as you may well know , it was converted from the trigger guard  mounted trigger to the reciever mounted and that probaly improves its shooting  [im not a shootist so i notice no difference between my rifles of various vintage ] i just love them all for what they are ,

that late of rifle was most likely a contract rifle - we need a serial number to ID the actual contract for you , i have a burma contract in that era ,that is still a mkI , FAZ was making mk2 rifles at about that time as well so the conversions are common , 

it probably was a light color when born , even blonde are common then , but i understand the desire for the color , i like it too , they were oiled finish not she!!ack , rub in the finish till warmth is created to get the right feel , i have a method- once a day for a week , once a week for a year , as needed after that , you can bone it but im not sure thats proper brit approach , looks great tho , 
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Originally posted by A square 10 A square 10 wrote:

well , you have a wonderful rifle that should serve your shooting needs well , the late FAZ riflles are wonderful , a mkI/2 started life as a mkI as you may well know , it was converted from the trigger guard  mounted trigger to the reciever mounted and that probaly improves its shooting  [im not a shootist so i notice no difference between my rifles of various vintage ] i just love them all for what they are ,

that late of rifle was most likely a contract rifle - we need a serial number to ID the actual contract for you , i have a burma contract in that era ,that is still a mkI , FAZ was making mk2 rifles at about that time as well so the conversions are common , 

it probably was a light color when born , even blonde are common then , but i understand the desire for the color , i like it too , they were oiled finish not she!!ack , rub in the finish till warmth is created to get the right feel , i have a method- once a day for a week , once a week for a year , as needed after that , you can bone it but im not sure thats proper brit approach , looks great tho , 


Serial number is PF24598

It was very light when I got it which is why the staining needed to be done in my opinion. I know its a Beech stock and not Walnut but I prefer that Walnut colour.

I have been applying the oil so far once or twice a week as its really soaking it up and building a good layer of protection is always good.

I just hope it shoots as well as it looks.

Thanks for the kind words and help.
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i like the dark as well , my blonde rifles are all gone now - flirts in my book , do have some nice birch with brown color left tho ....

i take back what i said about the contracts , yours is pre-contract , those started in the 301500+ era , 

yours was most likely in the latter part of the 49-54 production mkIs - PF8xxxx-PF325xxx , then converted to /2 as they progressed to that production in that era , 
i probably should have caught that but it was evening , im old , what can i say ? too lazy to look at my references ?? 

i actually have a FAZ mkI made 11/48 in original form with PF54xxx and a FAZ mk2 10/53 with PF372xxx , so i should have been able to give better info , sorry for the mislead , 
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I took some more photos of other markings to see if that sheds any more light on what I have.
























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It is in very nice condition. Not surprised it's soaking up the linseed oil; as in the first photo's it looks very dry. Is that after you removed a coat of varnish?
I also have a No4Mk1/2 of similar era. The engraving on the left side of your receiver is different.
On my rifle, and other's that I've seen; the change to No4Mk1/2 is electro penciled on. The engraving you have is similar to what's on the L39 which is early 70's. So I'm wondering the rifle was refinished and re-engraved at the 1973 date you mentioned.
If it's had a FTR in 73 then it should be a very good shooter; as it look's as if it's had little use.
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Originally posted by Zed Zed wrote:

It is in very nice condition. Not surprised it's soaking up the linseed oil; as in the first photo's it looks very dry. Is that after you removed a coat of varnish?
I also have a No4Mk1/2 of similar era. The engraving on the left side of your receiver is different.
On my rifle, and other's that I've seen; the change to No4Mk1/2 is electro penciled on. The engraving you have is similar to what's on the L39 which is early 70's. So I'm wondering the rifle was refinished and re-engraved at the 1973 date you mentioned.
If it's had a FTR in 73 then it should be a very good shooter; as it look's as if it's had little use.


Yes the first picture was after the first clean up and removal of varnish.

I just hope it shoots as good as it looks.
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The thing with blond stocks is that it takes  massive patience for the dry, white wood to really color up naturally. Its even worse when the old finish is just stripped because any existing color goes away as well.
It will happen eventually but we're talking years to get that honey-gold color I like.

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