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    Posted: February 06 2022 at 1:48pm
I purchased these two rifle cases from 1942 and 1943 respectively.   I researched the Broad Arrow 2 for the manufacturer identifiers and could only locate D&M Ltd, a british manufacturer identified as a Oil Bottle SMLE WWI.  I could not locate the M&Q or D^126.   I have a lot of questions:
1) Can you identify the manufacturer or the national origin?
2) The webbing/material is quite different between the two - this is probably significant.
2) The external pouch opens in opposite directions (one towards butt, the other towards barrel)
3) My No.1 MkIII* doesn't quite fit - the rifle fits in, but the closing flap wont close - maybe 1-2" short.   This was disappointing.  I thought maybe these were Canadian and/or designed for the No.4 and I checked the overall rifle dimensions - they vary by 0.1" (44.5 for the No.1 and 44.4 for the No.4)  so this is likely not the problem.

I have one other rifle case almost  identical to the D^126 and my No1 MkIII* rifle fits perfectly.   Could the case shrink this much over the years? 

A couple of usage questions:  What goes in the external pouch - I assume ammo?  Where does the solider store his bayonet?  And finally, how were these deployed in the army - would a soldier carry a case into forward deployment, or would they be used on base, or training etc?  Looking forward to the conversation.

NOTE: EDITED TO REMOVE THE FAULTY IMAGES.

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I can't get the images to post.  They are jpg files and meet the size requirements.  I'll keep experimenting.  Stand by.

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Let's try this - two photo's of the D&M marked case:

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Two photo's of the D^126 case - I don't why the originals didn't load, but I changed the file names to remove any special characters (^, -, &) and the images loaded.  Something to keep in mind:

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interesting topic , i was not really a web collector except to have a few holsters and such so i never really did a lot of reading on this area , i do have a case similar to what you show tho so i am interested in seeing what those that know post , 
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Howdy y’all.
Believe your shorter bag is made for the No5 Mk1 (Jungle Carbine,have a few but are (D^D M.H&Co 43thru45 dated made).
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Interesting that they would make a bag for the No5 Mk1 before start of rifle production. (02/44)
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The Jungle carbines are all shorter - 39.X inches, so they definitely would fit.  So although the cases predated the Jungle Carbines, it is an interesting train of thought to explore which other rifles may fit.  I flipped through my bible (LES) and I had to go back to the MLE Carbines to get lengths at 39.X inches, but why would the commonwealth make cases for the MLEs in 1942/43?

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Originally posted by AussieShooter AussieShooter wrote:

The Jungle carbines are all shorter - 39.X inches, so they definitely would fit.  So although the cases predated the Jungle Carbines, it is an interesting train of thought to explore which other rifles may fit.  I flipped through my bible (LES) and I had to go back to the MLE Carbines to get lengths at 39.X inches, but why would the commonwealth make cases for the MLEs in 1942/43?

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Running a couple of inquiries on manufacturer marking to maybe narrow things down.
I can’t find that marking anywhere 🤢
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Is it possible that the 1942 D&M case is a fake?
The stitching appears to be very clean for an 80 year old canvas case.
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I have both original and a reproduction webbing of which most repro`s are made in India. The repro`s use a very coarse fabric compared to the originals, the weave threads are 2-3x`s heavier.
The original fabric is not to unlike a fine oil skin canvas.
My Guess would be the DM marked one is a repro.
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That's a little disappointing - I don't mind buying a repro if I know its a repro. Let's see if sgonger comes back with any additional insight.  Lamp

Otherwise, I continue to learn the hard way :)  Fortunately it was a modest investment.
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Originally posted by AussieShooter AussieShooter wrote:

That's a little disappointing - I don't mind buying a repro if I know its a repro. Let's see if sgonger comes back with any additional insight.  Lamp

Otherwise, I continue to learn the hard way :)  Fortunately it was a modest investment.
Howdy;
I’ll ditto what Mr Shiloh stated had the same conclusion.
We had no joy in trying to find anything about the M&Q marking sorry.

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OK.  Thanks all for the research and comments.   I'll continue to research webbing so maybe I get the originals next time. 
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Originally posted by AussieShooter AussieShooter wrote:

OK.  Thanks all for the research and comments.   I'll continue to research webbing so maybe I get the originals next time. 
Goodo & just for a thought mate,I trimmed a couple of the buckles on the carbine type bags & restiched the buckles higher up so they would inclose a MKIII rifle. 🤭😉👍
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Great minds think a like.   I laid the "shorty" against the "longy" and realized something similar.  It appears the buckle strap may have been a little lower.   However, look at these close-ups of the buckle.  The buckle on the flap is fixed and rigid. This looks too complex to be a repro - maybe O'm in denial.  not sure it's for a No1, but not a repro?  


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