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    Posted: November 30 2008 at 5:55am
The start- - .303 shell....
 
Second try with 7 grns of Blue Dot powder
 
Thirde try- - with some second tries. you can tell by how far the necks are formed.
 
Next try - - Getting close to full form ....
 
Here you see C.M. Putting the Packing in (Old Cloth ) to fire form the round.
 
Another one ...
 
Here are some ready for final form with shot being put in before firing...you can see the shot cup plainly
 
Here is a comparison between the .303 and the new formed .Brit. .410 shell
 
The bore of Cookies .410 Brit. Shot gun ...
 
Cookie Monster on the bench test firing the .410 Brit. Shot gun into the pasture/Shooting Range...
 
 
I thought we had the final product , but we forgot to take some picts of them....Before C.M. left for Home....
 
Oh Yea! Almost forgot this Photo.. Cookie Monster took it when I went out back to shoot a Bird flying over...
You can see to my rear right the packing all over the ground from fire forming the night before...I kept thinking that the game warden was going to come knocking on the gun room door that night....
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cookie Monster Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 30 2008 at 6:14am
Rhino in the above photo was shooting the NoI MkIII Ishapore by the way. Rhino's friend Daniel called it a confetti gun from all that wadding left in the yard by the fire forming.  And the photo above that kinda looked different shooting a shotgun off a bench rest like that. Confused
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Once again we see a example of what happens when Cookie & Rhino  are left without Adult supervision !!!!!!!!LOL Great Photo's boys !


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LOL We were supervision Confused Well I guess we wereYing%20Yang
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Yep , We were good Boys , we put our own empty bottles in the trash can our self .....and the cans in the recycling bin....
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Ying%20Yang Gentleman of the Jury ............I rest my case Disapprove LOL


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Only thing we left in the yard is the wadding/confetti
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Originally posted by Cookie Monster Cookie Monster wrote:

Only thing we left in the yard is the wadding/confetti



     Dave shakes head & looks to heaven shacking his head muttering ....Why Me Lord ? Why Me ?Pinch Then looks for a heavy blunt object & goes looking for Cookie & Rhino !!!!!!!!

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Originally posted by Cookie Monster Cookie Monster wrote:

Only thing we left in the yard is the wadding/confetti



 Brings a whole new meaning to SHOTGUN WEDDING southern style!  Big%20smile
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 GROAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Ouch


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Shotgun weddings? Yes there were famous here in the south at one time. LOL kept the young gentlemen suiters accountable for their actions.
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Ha! Speaking of that My Dad kept a shot gun by the door for years... My Brother-in-Law Married to my youngest sister and I was sitting in Step Moms living room after Dad died and He looked at the Door and said Leons Shot Gun is still in its same place as its been for the past 20 some thing years.... "and when I dated your Sister I always thought it was there for Me and then after we got married I found out one Thanks Giving it was for the critters that Got into your Dads chickens".....
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Interesting little shells you made there boys.
But the winters coming,

And the snow will cover tracks,

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Originally posted by Hatchetman Hatchetman wrote:

Interesting little shells you made there boys.



   to use them in a standard .410 you have to turn the rims down a little though as they are a little thick. Where as if you use commercial 410 ammo through a Ishy or a converted Mk111  (Called a fire fly over here ) there is no problem

      If you ever want to load up fire formed 303 /410 cases  try a load of 14gns of 2205 & use a empty case as a punch to cut over wads out of thin cardboard (to keep the shot in place ) once you've loaded your ammo & fitted the over wad jut put a couple of drops of craft Glue round the inside of the case mouth to keep the over wad in place.

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I may have to remember that recapie Dave...
Cookie and I were using spent .45 L/C cases to cut the over wads. A friend of mine said to use old wasp nest and then Cookie said the same thing...
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Hi Guys

I just got a .410 Ishapore conversion (1913 No1 Mk III Enfield, converted 1932).  She cam with 20 loaded shells, but of course that's no where near what I want to have some fun.  So a few quick questions, since you guys know what you're doing (or at least in the fireforming case Tongue.
1.  Did you anneal the brass before the first wad shot?  If so, what method?
2.  Do you use anything other than the wad over the powder?
3.  It looks like you use an old towel or t shirt as a wad.  Which and about what size?
4. Once you have the final shape, it looks like you use a plastic 410 wad, rather than fiber wads.  Is that the case?  If so, does it work better than a nitro card and fiber wads, or is it just easier?
5.  What sort of powder / shot load do you use for the final .410 shell?

Sorry about all the questions, but you two are the first I've found that are actively fireforming and shooting a .410 Enfield.  Thanks in advance for any advice.

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