No.5 Value?

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   Good evening everyone, 
I have the future possibility of purchasing a No.5 from an estate sale, sight unseen. Is there a value that should not be exceeded for these rifles?

I understand less were produced than the No4s, but that they were a flop with accuracy. I personally just wanted to add one to the collection, but is it worth it? I cant seem to find many for sale, but I do see stripped receivers and barrels for 300 on gunbroker or numbers matching for $1000. Kinda wide of a spread there.  Thanks,

Logan

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Logan.Lacher Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: May 25 2020 Location: Oklahoma Status: Offline Points: 118	Post Options Post Reply Quote Logan.Lacher Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: No.5 Value? Posted: January 31 2021 at 12:26am
	Good evening everyone, I have the future possibility of purchasing a No.5 from an estate sale, sight unseen. Is there a value that should not be exceeded for these rifles? I understand less were produced than the No4s, but that they were a flop with accuracy. I personally just wanted to add one to the collection, but is it worth it? I cant seem to find many for sale, but I do see stripped receivers and barrels for 300 on gunbroker or numbers matching for $1000. Kinda wide of a spread there. Thanks, Logan

Honkytonk Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: December 30 2017 Location: Brandon Mb Status: Offline Points: 5190	Post Options Post Reply Quote Honkytonk Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: January 31 2021 at 4:13am
	I've owned three, and all were decent shooters, so I'm not sure the inaccuracy myth is 100% true. As far as price? In Canada, the average price for a #'s matching is around $750. You can get decent ones for $650 CAD.

hoadie Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Moderator Group Joined: March 16 2006 Location: Niagara/Canada Status: Offline Points: 9680	Post Options Post Reply Quote hoadie Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: January 31 2021 at 4:52am
	WOW..I got mine for $250 Cdn a tad back. Added sling bayo & scabbard later. As for accuracy - theres alot of info for & agin. I can't hit nowt with mine - ever! Yet my late hunt pard (he was a Limey) would pick it up, fire 3 thru the ring & pronounce it spot-on.(Always the "other"guy! ) Then theres the jabber about the "wandering zero" All in all - they are interesting, tho
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Shamu Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Logo Designer / Donating Member Joined: April 25 2007 Location: MD, USA. Status: Offline Points: 20510	Post Options Post Reply Quote Shamu Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: January 31 2021 at 9:22am
	About US$ 650~750 round here for an all-matching one with a good bore in nice condition overall. About $100 more than a comparable No4 Mk1 in general. If you're thinking of the (In) famous "Wandering Zero" problem, I really wouldn't at this point in time. Some had it some didn't. But they knew & were fixing it "back in the day". Because of that you'd be hard pressed to fin one with it now as it was either fixed & reissued or condemned & scrapped so very few offenders remain. Mine is about the same accuracy as my SMLE, about half of what my No4 Mk2 is capable of.
	Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)

Logan.Lacher Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: May 25 2020 Location: Oklahoma Status: Offline Points: 118	Post Options Post Reply Quote Logan.Lacher Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: January 31 2021 at 9:50am
	That's great to hear. As far as the setup of the rifle goes, I hear a lot of them had triggers like the No4 Mk1 and some possibly had triggers like a Mk2. I assume most of them were like mk1s? And same for the wood. I heard a few people talk about jungle carbines with beech wood. Does any of the above affect the value? As I mentioned earlier, I'm buying sight unseen. I guess I'm just curious if any of that makes my deal any less sweet

Shamu Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Logo Designer / Donating Member Joined: April 25 2007 Location: MD, USA. Status: Offline Points: 20510	Post Options Post Reply Quote Shamu Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: January 31 2021 at 11:34am
	I know of no production No5's with the Mk2 "Hung trigger" To me it would be a red flag & I'd be looking for evidence of fakery, which abounds. The easy way to tell is the wood at the back of the forend. If theres a recessed cross bolt & nut its a Mk2, A Mk1/2, or a Mk 1/3. If its a riveted strap its a Mk 1. Anything other than the riveted strap is a warning no 1/2 or 1/5 No5's were ever made. Wood isn't really a factor, but condition of it is. A lot of the beech stocks have been stained over the years too. The presence, or lack of a metal end cap maybe more important. Things like bore condition, overall appearance, matching serial numbers, sanded or refinished wood or metal, & presence of the bayonet lug & so on will have a big effect on value though.
	Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)

Logan.Lacher Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: May 25 2020 Location: Oklahoma Status: Offline Points: 118	Post Options Post Reply Quote Logan.Lacher Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: January 31 2021 at 12:16pm
	Thank you for the details. These are priced at $300 or so, but are part of a larger Enfield collection which contains some expensive rifles alongside. Im suspecting that the individual selling believes them to be sporterized and is thus looking to part with them at sporterized prices, but itd be nice to know im actually stumbling on a hidden gem

devrep Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: October 28 2020 Location: florida Status: Offline Points: 625	Post Options Post Reply Quote devrep Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: January 31 2021 at 1:10pm
	I would not purchase anything sight unseen.
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Shamu Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Logo Designer / Donating Member Joined: April 25 2007 Location: MD, USA. Status: Offline Points: 20510	Post Options Post Reply Quote Shamu Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: January 31 2021 at 1:14pm
	Do you know how, in detail, to tell a sported No4 from a legit No5? Those prices (if legit) are incredible for today's market. Just remember 1: if it sounds too good to be true it probably is! 2: Caveat emptor, Bad Latin for "Its a crap shewt out there"! Can you at least get pictures of them?
	Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)

Logan.Lacher Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: May 25 2020 Location: Oklahoma Status: Offline Points: 118	Post Options Post Reply Quote Logan.Lacher Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: January 31 2021 at 1:19pm
	I think I understand the general gist of spotting them. I have the Enfield Bible which seems to give enough detail of the particulars, along with what folks have mentioned thus far. Fortunately the person selling the rifle will allow me to back out of the purchase if I can prove it's a fake. The sale starts soon so I'll want to commit to buy asap to avoid missing out because I took too long to decide if it was real or fake. That said, if there is a quick way of knowing, that would be the most helpful. Sight unseen in this regard simply means that as far as i know, i could be getting the most abused, albeit legit, No.5 out there

Shamu Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Logo Designer / Donating Member Joined: April 25 2007 Location: MD, USA. Status: Offline Points: 20510	Post Options Post Reply Quote Shamu Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: January 31 2021 at 1:24pm
	Fair disclaimer, these are not my images I got them of the web, I don't remember where any longer.
	Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)

Logan.Lacher Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: May 25 2020 Location: Oklahoma Status: Offline Points: 118	Post Options Post Reply Quote Logan.Lacher Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: January 31 2021 at 1:32pm
	Ah okay, so my best bets will be the lightening cuts to the rear of the receiver, I wasnt aware of those. Even if the No5 is completely beat, I'd imagine it's still worth $300, correct? From what I read in earlier forums, the wood alone is worth some money. I have plenty of spare BHs, I've got headspace gauges and such. The issue is that once the sale starts, everyone and their mother will be allowed in to browse. I simply want to commit asap rather than have it sold out from under me. It's not ideal, but it's also significantly cheaper than No5s I see anywhere else so im alright with a little gamble

Shamu Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Logo Designer / Donating Member Joined: April 25 2007 Location: MD, USA. Status: Offline Points: 20510	Post Options Post Reply Quote Shamu Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: January 31 2021 at 1:46pm
	Well if worst comes to worst you have the images to show him & get a refund if nothing else. Its definitely a great price assuming theres nothing "bent" we're missing. The RTI junkers are going for considerably more! Cuts at the rear of the receiver & the breech end of the barrel. Those were apparently a pain to make so the forgers simply didn't bother! Not shown is the LARGE (penny sized almost) hole in the bolt knob.
	Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)

A square 10 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Special Member Donating Member Joined: December 12 2006 Location: MN , USA Status: Online Points: 16997	Post Options Post Reply Quote A square 10 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: January 31 2021 at 8:00pm
	this is one of those times i really want to tell you to walk away , but , in fairness you learn nothing from that recommendation , so instead im going to tell you to read and study what was posted above carefully then study the rifle to see if it matches , do a bunch of research so you dont get screwed the no5 is one of those that seems to have gotten the short end of the stick up front about hitting targets and now because they were produced in limited quantity have been the target of those wanting bigger bucks from their sported no4 , when you do own one [i had two] you will find they shoot downright fine , they handle well , are fun to own and shoot and they look great ,

Logan.Lacher Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: May 25 2020 Location: Oklahoma Status: Offline Points: 118	Post Options Post Reply Quote Logan.Lacher Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: January 31 2021 at 8:48pm
	I appreciate that. Honestly, I'm willing to take the risk. I'll definitely post the outcome whatever it may be. Im confident that if I do get my hands on them before anyone else that I'll win out. Practically memorized the No5 at this point and have a checklist ready

Honkytonk Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: December 30 2017 Location: Brandon Mb Status: Offline Points: 5190	Post Options Post Reply Quote Honkytonk Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: February 01 2021 at 5:20am
	Take a quick check of the rear apature sight. No5's elevate to 800 yards and No4'5 to 1000. (Guys, correct me if I got the numbers wrong!) This might be another quick check.