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    Posted: June 09 2024 at 3:58am
Greetings Forum members. I am in the Scottish American Military Society in Tampa, FL. Our Post has two No.4 Mark III’s for ceremonial use. Actually, I have had both checked out by a local gunsmith, and both rifles are fully operational; checked headspace, bore-scoped, etc. I will post pics of them later.  My question has to do with LE Blank ammunition.  I ran across this posting (see attached) from the American Legion which highlighted the danger of “Granada Launcher” ammunition vs. “Blank” ammunition.  I see that the Enfield did have a grenade launcher capability like the M1 Garand. Does anyone know if there is a specific Enfield grenade ammunition which should not be used as ceremonial blank ammo? 


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Commonwealth issued ammunition will include a L in the headstamp if it is blank and a H if it is grenade/line throwing.  However, a large number of rejected cases were turned into blanks during the war, so you will find blanks made from ball, trace, AP and incendiary rounds.

The grenade/line throwing blanks generally (but not always) have open case mouths, with a cardboard disc and are stained.


Non-commonwealth cartridges sometimes followed the case staining (FN is one manufacturer that comes to mind).  However, unless they are marked in such a way, there is no way to distinguish unmarked crimped blanks without seeing the box they came out of.   

The easiest way to ensure that you are using safe blanks is to make them yourself (or have a reloader make them for you).

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Thanks for the valuable information.  I did find these at blankammo.com…..very expensive.  My organization is forming a funeral rifle honor guard and we will need to find some. Might reach out to some reloaders in the area. Once I take the No. 4s to the range to zero, I’ll save the brass for reloading. http://https://blankammo.com/products/military-ammo-blanks-303-british
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The issue can be resolved by using  New Commercial Privi Blanks made for Reenactors; instead of ancient  sometimes mystery surplus
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Concur. Lots of “sketchy” stuff out there indeed. 
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Never heard of a No. 4 Mk III, that’s a new one to me! 
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Ooops….brain cramp you are correct. We have two Enfield rifles, a No. 4 Mk I and a No. 4 Mk I* both 1942. One is stamped U.K on the front barrel, and the other is marked Canada. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Zed Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 10 2024 at 3:51am
Interesting post. 
I am surprised that a grenade launcher cartridge would destroy a rifle! 
Do you know if the parade rifles concerned have been modified to partially block the barrel? To prevent live rounds being fired!
Seems odd that an unobstructed barrel would allow enough pressure to blow the rifle apart.
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Rhino has a couple grenade t**sers..he could probobly offer some insight.
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I thought the same thing. I can only surmise that the M1 blank firing adapters they used, coupled with the pressure generated from the grenade launcher rounds, created too much back pressure. I have no data on pressure measurements between a normal blank round and grenade launcher round.  In any case, I thought it was an interesting safety tip to pass along. Cheers.  
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Originally posted by britrifles britrifles wrote:

Never heard of a No. 4 Mk III, that’s a new one to me! 

I was just about to say that.
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Reenactors in Texas have been using Atlantic Wall .303 British blanks for decades with good results.  The long blank cycles perfectly through the magazine while the short blank sometimes hangs up.  

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I think it was a case of using "salute" (noisemaker) blanks with rifle grenades, not the other way round. The salute blanks are designed with a really fast powder so they will go bang, rather than phut. If you put a couple of pounds of grenade in front of that & fire it its like a bore obstruction/powder overload.
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Back years ago in the 60's on Canada Day one of my Uncles would use a grenade on a SMLE and shoot tennis ball soaked in lighter fluid over the farm pond. Looked like a mini comet flying by.
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I would try it in North Carolina but my pond is not big enough.

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