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Strangely Brown
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Topic: 1950 Parker-Hale CataloguePosted: November 01 2025 at 5:42am |
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I wasn't sure which Forum to put this in?
This is a very recent eBay purchase to go with others I've collected over the years. ![]() One word caught my eye that I don't believe I had heard of before, that word is "obloquy" it apparently means strong public condemnation, and in this case the finger points to the SMLE according to this page in the P-H catalogue. This is the first time I have seen in print anything that decries the SMLE, especially from a company that is actively selling them! It's also very clear from what else is written that P-H hope to off load SMLE's with heavy barrels to the target rifle community, when in fact the images of the day show more No.4's being fired at Bisley and hardly an SMLE in sight! Some 25 years ago a group of us used to shoot together and often found ourselves shooting next to a club from Birmingham who included retired P-H & BSA employees, despite the fact that few SMLE's were seen on he firing point during the big 1950's matches the retired guy from BSA told me they were still assembling them in the mid 1950's for local clubmen out of stored spares. The "American" sling, probably better known to most of us as the M1907 sling? This is the first official reference I've seen of it's use in service rifle "b" shooting, it's use in all things target rifle has in the past been seen as something contentious in the UK, in some cases people gong as far as to say with your arm in the sling loop is cheating! If and when the subject comes up again I can now quote chapter & verse that it is UK legal. ![]() Fat Foresights; ironically these became "Streamlined" Foresights in later editions of the catalogue and something Britrifles and I have conversed about over the last year or so. I have a 0.070" which I'm debating to put on my rifle but will wait until I have a cataract sorted in the very near future, I may not need it after that! ![]() |
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Posted: November 01 2025 at 7:21am |
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Interesting find Mick. My PH catalog is the No. 62 Edition, (1961/62?), and still offered rebarreled No. 1 SMLE for competition use.
My understanding is the SMLE was preferred at long range (900 and 1000 yds) due to its compensating nature in which fast bullets left the muzzle at a lower angle of departure than slow bullets. But that came at the price of larger vertical dispersions at short range where the No. 4 was preferred. It seems odd that the Bisley Bible makes no mention of the allowed use of the M1907 sling? No wonder it’s been difficult to clearly define the Historic service rifle shooting rules. How I wish I had a full set of wide blade foresights! I had to resort to modifying a standard service foresight blade which I did by epoxying a thin sheet of brass to each side of the blade and filing to shape. |
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Posted: November 01 2025 at 7:34am |
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I never know that this catalog existed.
What a great source of knowledge. Wish I could find one. |
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Posted: November 01 2025 at 7:48am |
Geoff, to answer this in the order you have written it: My first SMLE ever was built from new items in the 1990's. I was too wet behind the ears and actually believed the seller's patter; I subsequently found out that his story that these were built for Ireland and never used was grade A BS! Robin Fulton, (of that shop in Bisley camp) used an SMLE in 1958 to win the Queens Prize at 900 & 1000 but used his No.4 at 300, 500 & 600. I would suspect this was probably the last time we saw an SMLE in the Queens final?? From 1948 the Bisley bible just says the sling has to be attached to the rifle in two places and not wider that 2" inches for SR"b" matches; before 1948 there is a restriction on the length of the sling to 54 1/2" inches. I think the modern term for this rule is called overreach! It just about allowed the use of a Bren Gun sling, much favoured in rifle teams of the Light Infantry regiments in the 1970's with the L1A1. Fat Foresights...I've now taken to looking at foresights blades with a much sharper eye at arms fairs rather than walking past them as I used to. |
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Posted: November 01 2025 at 8:09am |
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Fantastic items and excellent information. Thanks for sharing it, guys.
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Posted: November 01 2025 at 9:22am |
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Just to add fuel to the fire ![]() When the SMLE came out originally, they were looked down on somewhat because of the "short barrel & shortened sight radius" compared to the old "Long Toms"! ![]() When those were cut down for range rifles rules it was considered almost sacrilege! I constantly get picked on for having the M1907 sling on my SMLE's because "they were never ever used & so wrong and not P.C./ H.C. Thanks for the docs to refute that. ![]() ![]() |
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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)
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Posted: November 01 2025 at 12:36pm |
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I rather like the 1907 sling. I have them on my 1903a3, M1 and No. 4 service rifles I compete with. There is something to be said for consistency…
I also use them on the AR-15 SR. I prefer the ones made from Biothane by Turner Saddlery. Never need conditioning and are not prone to slipping. |
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Posted: November 01 2025 at 12:41pm |
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The only Issue I have had with them is the original '03 & Garand rifles sling swivels are 2" closer together than Lee-Enfield ones. This makes getting the adjustments just right doesn't quite follow the USMC suggestions for hook placement. I find that instead of #8 or #9 I use #3 or #4 to hook the long front strap, that seems to fix the problem.
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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)
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Posted: November 01 2025 at 1:20pm |
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The ones I get from Turner Saddlery come in two different lengths. Never had an issue in adjusting them for the 03, M1 or No. 4. They are easy and quick to adjust. I’ve got a sling on each rifle because I don’t want to fiddle with moving it from one rifle to the other. In the colder weather when I have a fleece sweater on under my shooting coat, I adjust the upper hook one notch longer and all is well.
Some shooters rig the sling so that the upper loop can be pulled down such that the hooks are tight against your bicep. Not necessary with the biothane sling, it’s quite “sticky”, I close the two keepers on my bicep. Makes it quicker to get into and out of the sling.
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Posted: November 02 2025 at 3:26am |
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The same question of when did Fulton and Son stop regulating SMLEs has crossed my mind also. I have a Fulton regulated No.1 that is in absolutely excellent condition making me wonder how old it is and how much use it saw. It was sold as a civilian purchase so no date of manufacture stamp.
![]() Here's a question: how was the additional handguard damping received at Bisley if using an 'American' sling was considered cheating? ![]() |
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Posted: November 02 2025 at 3:36am |
Derek, they stamped "Regulated by Fultons" on a No.4 they built for me when I retired in 2016. I had to ask them to do it and if I'm honest it's not the best stamping as it had to be done twice, the current stamp is much smaller than those seen on SMLE's of the period. The sling "cheating" allegations all came about during discussions when I started to take an interest in how the newly formed Lee Enfield Rifle Association were making match conditions for various competitions. I was then the associations target rifle captain and the accusations came from a small blinkered section of the club, many of whom are now "brown bread". I was staggered to find that not even the NRA (UK) had proper guidance on what should, and shouldn't be allowed in historic shooting competitions. Rather like a certain "captain" Mainwaring I inserted myself into a position of near authority to try and change things. ![]() |
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Posted: November 02 2025 at 4:27am |
Derek, you have raised a question which relates to the two different Service Rifle categories, SR(a) and SR(b). SR(a) rules are essentially “as issued” service rifles and a sling was not permitted. SR(b) allowed considerable leeway to “accurize” the rifle which included bedding the fore-end, packing hand guards, fitting aperture sights, use of a sling, wide (fat) blade foresights, etc. I believe the heavier barrel for the SMLE was only allowed for SR(b) shooting. Perhaps Mick knows when the SR(b) classification was introduced into the UK NRA competition rules? |
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Posted: November 02 2025 at 5:04am |
With a heavy sigh he trudged once again into his study to look through his extensive collection of Bisley Bibles... ![]() The earliest I can find mention of Service Rifle "b" is 1920; I don't have a 1919 bible which may push the introduction to SR"b" back a year to 1919. The 1920 Bible shows: SR"a" which was "as issue" SR"b" as described by Geoff above and officially abandoned in 1968 by the NRA in favour of what is now known as Target Rifle. SR"c" Which is any rifle as defined in SR"a" but not restricted to SMLE's, the use of a sling, additional back sight and windage are allowed. (This class would allow the use of the Long Lee then known as the Territorial Rifle. Slings were not allowed to steady a rifle in SR"a") SR"d" Any rifle in the foregoing classes provided it was fitted with magnifying or telescopic sights. (By 1923 SR"c" has gone and been replaced by the term, "Sniping Rifle", during this period the sniping rifle in question would be the Pattern 14 which had replaced the SMLE with scope after the Great War.) |
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Posted: November 02 2025 at 5:20am |
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Mick, I was not aware of the SR(c) and (d) classes. Sorry to make you go thru the fine print on those Bisley Bibles, but I learned something!
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Posted: November 02 2025 at 5:29am |
We both know I enjoy doing it Geoff! SR"c" is the interesting one for me; this also disappeared by 1923 and the reason has to be the dominance of the SMLE in both the regular and Territorial armies, although still popular by civilian marksmen and one assumes taken under the wing of SR"b" in 1923.
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Posted: February 13 2026 at 9:52am |
Catalogues, old pams, etc are just the thing for professional scanning (and OCR and editing afterwards if one lacks a copy of of Adobe's Acrobat Pro) and sharing with the fraternity. The local pro shop my architect wife uses for scanning old cadastral data from paper form to electronic charges $70/hr. Which sounds like a lot until you see how fast their massive Canon scanners go through pages of books. I finally got my hands on a full version of the Canadian pam for the C1 A2 FN FAL. The tech who fiddled around to clean up the appearance of the yellowed paper before feeding it into the scanner did the job so fast the cost to me was $11 in total. If I just wanted it for a keepsake or electronic reference, that would be good enough. However, like similar scanning of old reloading manuals in very worn condition, putting a few days of hobbyist's effort into cleaning up the scans, creating indexes etc will result in a finished result more enjoyable and usable, not to mention better for anyone wanting to actually print it off. Anyways, scanning and preserving this old historical stuff for all interested people to see at places like Archive.org can be a bit of a labor of love. Where else would I have hoped to find reloading data for my .35 Newton, when ammunition for it hasn't been manufactured since the 1920's? Well, in a scanned reloading manual from the first years of Speer bullets!
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